cakewalk acceptable use documentation for monetized youtube

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2014/05/30 12:27:32 (permalink)

cakewalk acceptable use documentation for monetized youtube

Hello all-
 
I was looking at instructions on how to monetize a Youtube video. As part of registering a video for monetization, they seem to be sticklers for the submitter to own or have permission to use all the creative material. Fair enough.
 
In addition, I swear I saw somewhere that Youtube also requires one to have permissions for software used to edit/produce all aspects of the video. So in my case that would be for Sonar X2 and my Adobe video editing software. As I recall, Youtube specifically asked for a URL link to the language that says something like "It is okay for legitimate owners of Sonar X2 to use X2 to make money".
 
However, look as I might, I can't seem to find this language about software rights again - I've looked on the Youtube site and cannot find anything like this. So either I am wrong, or am going bonkers, or both.
 
Two questions:
1. Anyone else bump up against this "software used to edit" requirement?
2. Has anyone done this already, and would be willing to share ideas as to monetizing a Youtube music video?

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    slartabartfast
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    Re: cakewalk acceptable use documentation for monetized youtube 2014/05/30 15:03:52 (permalink)
    A policy that would require permission to use creativity software to create content would pretty much defeat the intended purpose of marketing the creative software. Do you have to have Baldwin's permission to record and release a piano solo using one of their instruments? Or Microsoft for using MS Word to write a novel? The permission is implicit in the fact that the seller of the software offers it for sale for this purpose. Unless the written license specifically forbids the use for your own work, I would expect that to be an implicit license.
     
    Loops or samples that are sold as a library without restriction should not be a problem. Most such libraries will prohibit simply copying the samples and selling them as samples. But in order to be a useful product they could not restrict your ability to use the samples as intended to make your own music. Where you can get into trouble would be in incorporating copyrighted work that is not intended for use in your own product. 
     
    If you were to use a pirated sample library without paying the license fee, that would raise an interesting question. Since there would be no implicit license, the owner could reasonably claim that every copy of the sample used in your work was a copyright infringement. Another good reason to pay for the software you intend to use for publication. But using a pirated version of MS Word, although it would subject you to claims of infringement for your copy of the software itself, theft etc., would not make each copy of your novel an infringement of Microsoft's copyright, since all of the copyrightable material in the novel is your work. Publication using Microsoft's fonts might be a problem however.
     
    Unlike commercial publishers of samples etc., some of the free sounds available on the internet might have much murkier licenses. A Creative Commons license requiring attribution, for example says you must acknowledge the licencor if you use the work. That might be pretty burdensome if you have to somehow list dozens of authors on a CD jacket. And one that allows free distribution but no derivative works would probably not allow you to include a sample in your original work. 
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    Re: cakewalk acceptable use documentation for monetized youtube 2014/05/31 12:01:09 (permalink)
    You are obviously an honest person and trying to do the right thing. IMO, you will be fine. I agree with slartabartfast... software and libraries that are sold to the public (you) to be used to make a finished product are OK to use, otherwise what use are they? As long as you are not using pirated software or libraries, you will have no problem. If it was a problem to use music recorded using Sonar, it would also be a problem to make money off music recorded using Pro Tools or a Studer tape machine or a Harrison console. Where would it end, would you have to get permission from the manufacturer to use their CDs if you plan to sell CDs?
    Nah... if you bought the DAW, you can use it. If you bought the synths or plugins, you can use them. If you bought sample libraries, you can use them, you can use midi files you own.
    You can't sample part of Goldfinger or Sgt. Pepper's or use a picture of someone else without their permission... and really there is no "new" music. Well, perhaps there is but anything that could be considered really new music would not sell because people like things that they are a little familiar with. I have heard "different" music that was and is REALLY good but never sold to amount to anything simply because it is so different that people don't give it a chance. A good example, IMO, is Monks of Doom. I think their recordings are nothing short of amazing BUT they are way out of the mainstream and never sold well. Pick up a copy of Forgery or The Insect God and you'll see what I mean... amazing phrasing, musician's musicians... but it is strange... but I digress. My point was that for your music to be worth doing commercially it HAS to be sort of like what is already popular to some segment of the population or (commercially) you'll be wasting your time.
    Just by being honest and actually trying to "do right" should insure that you have no problems. The worst You Tube will do is delete your video but you can appeal their decision. If they delete it, it will likely be based on someone else complaining and then YT not taking the time to even look or listen, they will only take it up if you respond. I wouldn't worry about it, NIKE! Stay honest and if you have problems they wont be big and you'll be able to overcome them.
     
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    Re: cakewalk acceptable use documentation for monetized youtube 2014/05/31 18:06:32 (permalink)
    I don't know about utube, but if you bought Sonar and registered then it is in the name you used to register it. If you look in Sonar under the File Menu and "Info" any song you do is copyrighted by Sonar with your registered name in the info of the song file.
     
    Same way with *.mp3 and ID info you put in as "copyrighted" by you and all the info pertaining to what kind of music it is, and the all of that.
     
    The only thing you might add is the day, month, and not just the year as shown what you can do with Sonar in the Info menu item. It is saved along with your music file each time but the year you bought Sonar is the date it gives every time, so change it to the year you are doing the song in and add the rest of the info that you need I suppose.
     
    I suppose the same thing in any video editing software, the name you registered the program in is what is recorded, and all of that. How you tell utube though may be a different subject, but then there is no permission that I know of needed because all the software programs are registered unless you did not register those programs in the first place but should have.
     
    There is a link here at Sonar where you can look up your Serial Number to the software. I have looked up mine because without it, you can not install Sonar anyway, so look at the Cakewalk site and perhaps copy that URL to give to utube. The other programs (*.mp3 software or movie editing) may also have a page where you are listed with your serial number of the program you bought or are registered at the company's website such as Sonar shows when you look it up.
     
    http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013115/I-lost-my-serial-number-or-registration-code
     
    Of course I would ask someone else first before I sent anything to utube or anywhere else as to if the info is confidential and do they have a statement that states that and all of that stuff needed for your own protection.
     
    Identity Theft I think they call it nowadays, but  I am not sure what anyone would do with software programs, only money stuff hacked I suppose.
     
    You may have to do some more searching on the Internet to find out a satisfactory answer.
    (or ask a lawyer perhaps or an on-line service dealing in such matters).
     
    You can always find your serial number in the program you are using by looking at the menu item for that - usually About and or System Info - even in Windows OS there is the version number of the program and the registered person listed for any of Microsoft programs.
     
    Make an image from the screen and put the image up in a PhotoBucket account perhaps and mark it Private use only so it is not Public and no one else can view it.
     
    With Sonar it is in the Help Menu item of the program - version of the software and your registered name when you installed it.
     
     
     
     
    post edited by spacealf - 2014/05/31 18:12:33

     
     
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    Re: cakewalk acceptable use documentation for monetized youtube 2014/05/31 23:02:54 (permalink)
    O.K. so the place you saw the requirement is: 
    https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2490020?hl=en
     
    expand the heading: ...if I created al the audio and visual content?
     
    to see: "If you used an audio-editing software: name of software, URL link to terms of use granting commercial use rights, and whether any samples or music loops were used"
     
    So as unnecessary as it may seem, YouTube apparently wants a URL link to the terms of service for your software. I have never been able to locate a web accessible copy of the EULA for Sonar, so I guess you will have to contact Cakewalk customer service to see if they can direct you to one.
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    Re: cakewalk acceptable use documentation for monetized youtube 2014/06/01 09:20:59 (permalink)
    The EULA is at the end of the User Guide pdf. The User Guide pdf is on this page http://www.cakewalk.com/S...and-Quick-Start-Guides
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    Re: cakewalk acceptable use documentation for monetized youtube 2014/06/01 12:14:31 (permalink)
    Ya, the ol'EULA, probably have a copy of some of them on your computer. I know Microsoft likes to put it on your computer.
     

     
     
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    Re: cakewalk acceptable use documentation for monetized youtube 2014/06/01 17:45:49 (permalink)
    I expect that YouTube has a gazillion submissions using Sonar as the audio editor, and that if you just say you used Sonar they will not go any further to evaluate this issue. If they have any questions, they will send you a followup.
     
    FYI the relevant language for Sonar X3 is:
    "3.2 The Licensee may modify the instrument content. LICENSEE MAY USE THE INSTRUMENT CONTENT FOR
    COMMERCIAL PURPOSES WITHIN MUSICAL COMPOSITIONS."
     
    There may be other considerations that I discussed here:
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3046532
     
     
     
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    Re: cakewalk acceptable use documentation for monetized youtube 2014/06/02 11:25:49 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the info guys.
     
    BTW anyone here ever try monetizing a music video on youtube?
     
    Thanks-

    RJB -Vernon Corv 
     
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