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2014/06/02 08:47:28 (permalink)

Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e

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when I use the plugin (surface control) A-Pro, Sonar x3e has a latency to start a new project, and I do not have this problem when I turn off or delete the control surface. you have an idea?
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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/02 09:30:18 (permalink)
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    Hello
    when I use the plugin (surface control) A-Pro, Sonar x3e has a latency to start a new project, and I do not have this problem when I turn off or delete the control surface. you have an idea?
    Regards

    I have the A-800 Pro keyboard - After turning it on, it takes Sonar 10 seconds or so to get ready.  Well, it's always slow opening, much slower than previous Sonars, but then once it looks open, with the A-Pro on, it stays greyed out on the left side and top for some time before being ready.
     
    Is that what you're talking about?
     
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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/02 09:44:32 (permalink)
    I assume you have specific requirements I just use act and it's fine. If not please be aware there are drivers and firmware updates on Roland's site. Cheers.

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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/02 10:05:39 (permalink)
    CakeAlexSI assume you have specific requirements I just use act and it's fine...



    Hey, Alex - Now that I know you use A-Pro, does ACT become engaged for you by just opening up Sonar?  A friend of mine who uses A-Pro says he turns on the keyboard, opens Sonar - and the ACT button on A-Pro lights up automatically.  That's never worked that way for me.  ACT has been pretty much a - huh? - to me.  I have some control maps programmed in A-Pro, I use those, I'm happy enough.
     
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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/02 10:16:09 (permalink)
    My A-800 Pro works great.
    Make sure you have the latest drivers from Roland.
    I have no latency issues. (I control that with my Sound Card)

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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/02 10:31:01 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk] 2014/06/02 10:29:22
    Every time a project is opened for the first time after Sonar is launched, Sonar transmits a control map specifically designed to be used with Sonar (called "SONAR ACT MAP 2") to the A-Pro hardware to overwrite map #19 (this doesn't happen if you haven't added A-Pro to Preferences > MIDI > Control Surfaces). This is why you see the ACT button automatically turns on and see "Receiving..." on the LCD.

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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/02 10:49:26 (permalink)
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    CakeAlexSI assume you have specific requirements I just use act and it's fine...



    Hey, Alex - Now that I know you use A-Pro, does ACT become engaged for you by just opening up Sonar?  A friend of mine who uses A-Pro says he turns on the keyboard, opens Sonar - and the ACT button on A-Pro lights up automatically.  That's never worked that way for me.  ACT has been pretty much a - huh? - to me.  I have some control maps programmed in A-Pro, I use those, I'm happy enough.
     
    Randy B.




    Act works for me fine on latest Roland drivers and firmware as long as I set it up like this:
    http://www.procom.no/pdf/Control%20Surface%20Plug-in%20for%20SONAR.pdf
     
    Don't install any Act software (ignore the installation procedure section/ first three steps in the document), if you have remove it (it's built into Sonar).
     
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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/02 10:52:02 (permalink)
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    Every time a project is opened for the first time after Sonar is launched, Sonar transmits a control map specifically designed to be used with Sonar (called "SONAR ACT MAP 2") to the A-Pro hardware to overwrite map #19 (this doesn't happen if you haven't added A-Pro to Preferences > MIDI > Control Surfaces). This is why you see the ACT button automatically turns on and see "Receiving..." on the LCD.


    Thanks for the reply, JlienX - But none of that happens for me.  The ACT button has never turned on automatically, and there's no "Receiving" display on the LCD.  But the keyboard's controls are engaged, with the faders hooked up and controlling the track faders in Sonar, for instance.
     
    Often, but not always, I'll start to work, and the keyboard isn't controlling Sonar - because in Preferences, the A-Pro has been dumped as my surface, and I have to set it up again, save Preferences - and it'll stay there for awhile, then mysteriously just disappear again on another day.
     
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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/02 11:34:22 (permalink)
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    Often, but not always, I'll start to work, and the keyboard isn't controlling Sonar - because in Preferences, the A-Pro has been dumped as my surface, and I have to set it up again, save Preferences - and it'll stay there for awhile, then mysteriously just disappear again on another day.
     

     
    You know what, Randy? That's what's been happening to me as well. I first thought it was because of a loose cable connection (sometimes it was, indeed) but now I'm not sure. Do you always power on A-Pro before starting Sonar and always shut down Sonar before powering off A-Pro? If you always do that (I do) and still see the issue, I think there's something wrong with Sonar's ability to keep communicating with A-Pro.
     
     
    rbowser
    But none of that happens for me. The ACT button has never turned on automatically, and there's no "Receiving" display on the LCD. But the keyboard's controls are engaged, with the faders hooked up and controlling the track faders in Sonar, for instance.

     
    Are the A-Pro and PC connected via a USB cable? Do you also connect other devices via a MIDI cable? To identify the cause I'd first remove all other cables and then launch A-PRO Editor and try to have the editor receive one of control maps from the A-Pro hardware and then transmit the map back to the A-Pro hardware. If the LCD says "Receiving..." then your A-Pro has no problem receiving a control map from the PC, right? If it still doesn't work, I'd probably perform a factory reset, although it resets everything including the maps you edited.
     
    Is your Preferences > MIDI > Control Surfaces page set up properly as shown in the document in Alex's post? 

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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/02 14:59:51 (permalink)
    thank you all for your suggestions or tips.
    My keyboard works fine, but when I open a new project, I have to wait about 10 seconds for the project to be usable and that if I use the controller "A-PRO" it does not make it with "ACT Midi Controller" this is not serious but boring. I tried everything but nothing works.
    FYI, I used input "APRO 2" and output "APRO" as recommended Cakewalk and Alex.

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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/02 15:37:49 (permalink)
    I would turn off any other MIDI devices that could be conflicting to see what happens.
     
    I would remove any Roland APRO software including drivers.
    Then reboot and install drivers (version 1.0.2) and firmware (what they call program update 1.1.5 assuming you are not running it) from here:
    http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=downloads&p=A-800PRO
     
    Then then reconfigure MIDI devices and ACT in Sonar. Also make sure your Windows update is fully up to date (including optional updates related to performance). Run scandisk and defrag. Maybe check your USB cable as well.
     
    Cheers....
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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/05 02:32:40 (permalink)
    Hello Alex
    I did all that, but I still have this problem when I select just the profile "A-PRO". I tried with my old PRC300 and I do not have this problem with PCR profile.

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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/05 12:32:36 (permalink)
    I have yet to install my A 800-Pro...I can't wait?
     
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    I guess I need to go to Roland's site and get the latest and greatest and then follow instructions from this thread, so that I do NOT load "ACT".
     
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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/05 13:12:12 (permalink)
    This whole A-Pro thing is still confusing to me.  All I know is that when I first got the keyboard, I set it up according to every instruction I could find, and while I've been able to control Sonar with it (faders, pan pots etc) there has never been a connection with ACT.  No lighting up of the ACT button on the keyboard.  Also, as said before, I usually need to go back into Sonar's preferences and set Apro up again as my control surface because that info is dumped.

    Basically - it works, even though nothing with ACT actually works.  Hmm.

    I need to answer your questions Jlien X:

    Jlien X...Are the A-Pro and PC connected via a USB cable?


    Yes.

    Jlien X...Do you also connect other devices via a MIDI cable?


    No, I haven't used MIDI cables for quite a few years now.

    Jlien X...launch A-PRO Editor and try to have the editor receive one of control maps from the A-Pro hardware and then transmit the map back to the A-Pro hardware. If the LCD says "Receiving..." then your A-Pro has no problem receiving a control map from the PC, right?


    Right - That works.  It's only in Sonar that exchanging maps doesn't work.

    Jlien X...Is your Preferences > MIDI > Control Surfaces page set up properly as shown in the document in Alex's post?


    Yes, seems to be.  That's a really simple setting window to work with.  That's the one I usually have to diddle with every time I launch Sonar.

    Oh well.  I've had this keyboard several years now - It's always been like the above, just 1/2 working, but I'm not too bothered.  It's doing what I need.

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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2014/06/05 13:24:52 (permalink)
    Well mine works fine but if I turn it off and then start Sonar I do lose the controller settings next time I'm using the keyboard, so I have to set it up again which takes a minute. Pain in the ass I guess it's a Sonar bug but I've never bothered to log it.

    The only software you should need is X3E, and latest firmware (program) and drivers from Roland.

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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2015/11/17 08:33:44 (permalink)
    Hello All,
    I find the problem. If you used "A-PRO Series Control Surface Plug-in for SONAR" 1.0 or 1.0.1 (from Cakewalk), when you start Sonar (Xx or Platinum) you have latency due to this plugin. If I do not use the ACT plugin, SONAR starts normally. Please, Cakewalk and Roland, you can correct this problem?

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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2015/11/17 09:09:54 (permalink)
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    Hello All,
    I find the problem. If you used "A-PRO Series Control Surface Plug-in for SONAR" 1.0 or 1.0.1 (from Cakewalk), when you start Sonar (Xx or Platinum) you have latency due to this plugin. If I do not use the ACT plugin, SONAR starts normally. Please, Cakewalk and Roland, you can correct this problem?

    I guess they will need more precise information about the kind of latency. Do you mean Sonar starts slower? And how slower?  The plug-in communicates with the device at that stage, so some delay is expected. If it is really significant, the problem can be at other place (USB driver,  Windows MIDI system, your controller, etc.).
     
    Note that A-PRO plug-in is not open source and Cakewalk has no relation to Roland. So the community can not help with plug-in modification. In case you are convinced the problem really comes from the plug-in, submit bug report to Cakewalk and Roland.

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    Re: Roland A-PRO control surface plugin with Sonar X3e 2015/11/17 20:00:27 (permalink)
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    Hello All,
    I find the problem. If you used "A-PRO Series Control Surface Plug-in for SONAR" 1.0 or 1.0.1 (from Cakewalk), when you start Sonar (Xx or Platinum) you have latency due to this plugin. If I do not use the ACT plugin, SONAR starts normally. Please, Cakewalk and Roland, you can correct this problem?



    As Splat stated (what a fine chap he isn't)... you don't install it:
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3046769
     

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