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Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
Hello-- I have an Echo Layla 3G that seems to work, and work well in every respect with my new DAW... ...except. I need to change the channels on my main outs within X2 so that I can monitor my mix out of my studio monitors and it no workie. The project was recorded and edited on the 3G channels 1/2 where I've been using headphones. Now, I need to change the main outs in X2 to 3G channels 5/6 to route them through my studio monitors, but when I click on the channels in the main outs--in Sonar nothing happens. I've tried reinstalling the sound card drivers, and of course a reboot of the system, but nothing works. In the past I went to Windows Sound on the Control Panel and made the desired channels in the sound card the defaults, and then I can change the channels in Sonar--but this time it won't let me. I'm sad to say my experience with Mario at Echo (he seems to be their only tech) has been useless, so I don't even want to try again. After buying the new DAW and upgrading my UAD card from 1 to 2, I don't have any cash to upgrade my sound card that is only about 3 years old. I did the research and I prefer PCI over USB or FW -- so I want to make it work. Does anyone know of a way I can "force" X2 to let me change my main outs to different channels- or maybe some routing magic outside of Sonar I can use? My only other option is to bounce my mix in Sonar and pull it into Sound Forge or Wavelab--but then I have to go back to Sonar to make any tweaks, and then rinse and repeat--not ideal. Thanks,
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/03 12:54:06
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I have that exact interface and gave up on it for my new DAW because it was causing problems and frankly I found it a little confusing to use BUT one thing you have not mentioned is whether you have done anything within the Layla's control software. I'm sure I could understand the Layla's in/out set up and the software much better now that I know more but I recall having a hell of a time trying to sync up my outputs to what my DAW was doing. You gotta cycle through multiple screens in the Layla software to get at the various channels and stuff. It may be just a matter of finding the right page for the 5/6 outs and unmuting them or something. Then maybe it'll work. Those Layla's are OLD though and I'm not even sure whether they are keeping up with their drivers. I just kept mine because it works on my old XP/Nuendo DAW (and actually did on my Win7/Sonar DAW but would dropout because of the bridged legacy PCI issue) and because I can use it via the optical ADAT in on my Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 to get an extra 4 or 8 input connections as a slave unit. I also hang onto it because the resale price is... not good. I'm hoping they release a new PCIe card that I can hook the box up to and update the drivers. Good luck. Sorry I can't help more.
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/03 13:00:21
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When you go to Sonars Preferences / Audio drivers do the 5/6 outputs show on the list there? Or are they grayed out.
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/03 14:34:20
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Beepster I have that exact interface and gave up on it for my new DAW because it was causing problems and frankly I found it a little confusing to use BUT one thing you have not mentioned is whether you have done anything within the Layla's control software. I'm sure I could understand the Layla's in/out set up and the software much better now that I know more but I recall having a hell of a time trying to sync up my outputs to what my DAW was doing. You gotta cycle through multiple screens in the Layla software to get at the various channels and stuff. It may be just a matter of finding the right page for the 5/6 outs and unmuting them or something. Then maybe it'll work. Those Layla's are OLD though and I'm not even sure whether they are keeping up with their drivers. I just kept mine because it works on my old XP/Nuendo DAW (and actually did on my Win7/Sonar DAW but would dropout because of the bridged legacy PCI issue) and because I can use it via the optical ADAT in on my Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 to get an extra 4 or 8 input connections as a slave unit. I also hang onto it because the resale price is... not good. I'm hoping they release a new PCIe card that I can hook the box up to and update the drivers. Good luck. Sorry I can't help more.
You know, I remember a routing interface when I had the 24/96 model before, but I thought they got rid of that for the 3G version I have now. Let me check and see if there is a routing software I can use, because that just might work. Thanks
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/03 14:35:39
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Cactus Music When you go to Sonars Preferences / Audio drivers do the 5/6 outputs show on the list there? Or are they grayed out.
Nope not grayed out. I can change channels on tracks and buses. Just not the main outs.
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/03 14:40:44
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In the CV you should see all your outs and you should have your master buss going to which ever stereo out pair you want. You do not have to goto preferences to do this.
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/03 14:53:03
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John In the CV you should see all your outs and you should have your master buss going to which ever stereo out pair you want. You do not have to goto preferences to do this.
Yeah, I think he was just asking me if I look there are they grayed out.
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/03 15:11:04
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razor You know, I remember a routing interface when I had the 24/96 model before, but I thought they got rid of that for the 3G version I have now.
Let me check and see if there is a routing software I can use, because that just might work.
Thanks
Oh yeah, man... it should still be there. I had to update the Layla drivers for Win7 when I built my new DAW and it came with a software i/o panel. It should be in your programs menu. Definitely take a look or see if it's installed. I honestly don't see how it's working without it though unless SOnar is just recognizing it in some generic way (which would be impressive actually) or why the Echo support guy didn't mention it. Remember though you have to cycle through the different screens to get at all the i/o's. When you first open it up it might seem like you are looking everything but you are not. IIRC there are tabs on the right hand side of the interface you need to click through to get at the various channels. It's whack and I always hated how that crap was set up. I love my Scarlett in comparison but the 3G is a nice interface. Just pain in the dick to use sometimes. Good luck.
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/03 15:26:08
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And just to be sure... and it has probably already been mentioned BUT double check for me anyway... Go to Edit > Preferences > Audio - Devices and make SURE you have all the ins/outs of the Layla displayed and checked off. You need to have every one of the inputs AND outputs checked off otherwise you will not be able to use them in Sonar. I'm starting to recall having that problem. Cheers.
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/03 21:47:59
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OK, I was way off. I was thinking about the routing interface for my old eMagic MMT8 MIDI Engine--the Layla only has the console, and as far as I know, I can't route the output of channels 1/2 to outputs 5/6 from within the Echo control panel. I'm in my studio now and I'm going to get heavily into this because if there is no solution, I'm going to be forced to buy a new sound card--for one (major) feature. Anyone have any other ideas, believe me when I say, I'd appreciate them!
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/03 21:54:34
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D'OH!!! I figured it out. I'm embarrassed to say how, but man enough to admit it. The different sound card output channels automagically created different main out tracks. The ones I need were off-screen and I just needed to scroll them over. So I say again, D'OH! Thanks for all the replies folks--as you were...
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/04 11:26:18
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Yanno... I probably would have done the exact same thing. I always forget about that Mains panel but my Scarlett only has the two monitor outputs. Took me forever to figure out how to route out from 5/6 (which is what I used to use as well) on the Layla. Glad you got it working.
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/05 11:40:49
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The best quick fix for changing between your head phones and your speakers would be: 1) Have all your tracks / buses routed to one master bus that then goes to your main hardware out. 2) when ever you want to change just change the output of the main bus to the other hardware out.
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/05 14:10:27
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Steve_Karl The best quick fix for changing between your head phones and your speakers would be: 1) Have all your tracks / buses routed to one master bus that then goes to your main hardware out. 2) when ever you want to change just change the output of the main bus to the other hardware out.
I'm not sure I understand. X2 creates a main bus for each channel pair on the sound card automatically. You can't change the output manually--you just use a different main out if you want to use a different channel on your sound card.
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/05 14:58:41
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X2 creates a main out for each pair of hardware outputs enabled in preferences. You create a master bus (or use the default Normal template) which points to one of the main out pairs. At least I would imagine most do not send tracks or buses other than the master bus and heaphone mixes directly to the main outputs. If all the audio resolves to a master bus changing the output of the master bus to a different main output pair would be a snap. IOW a master bus is just a special case SONAR bus (using the Set as Default Bus option) in the bus section at the bottom of the track view and the middle section in the console view. The main outs are representation of the physical hardware outputs in the far right-hand section of the console view. Route all audio through the SONAR master bus and point the master bus to a main out.
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Re: Can You Help Me Find a Sound Card Work-Around?
2014/06/05 20:24:32
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scook X2 creates a main out for each pair of hardware outputs enabled in preferences. You create a master bus (or use the default Normal template) which points to one of the main out pairs. At least I would imagine most do not send tracks or buses other than the master bus and heaphone mixes directly to the main outputs. If all the audio resolves to a master bus changing the output of the master bus to a different main output pair would be a snap. IOW a master bus is just a special case SONAR bus (using the Set as Default Bus option) in the bus section at the bottom of the track view and the middle section in the console view. The main outs are representation of the physical hardware outputs in the far right-hand section of the console view. Route all audio through the SONAR master bus and point the master bus to a main out.
Awesome. I must have missed that day in Sonar School. 😉 I guess my brain thinks far right means Master. I'll give it a whirl. Thanks
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