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2014/06/04 11:18:10 (permalink)

5 year old transgender boy

I saw this in the news last night and as a parent, I'm appauled at what these "parents" are putting this little innocent child into................what is this world coming to???
 
 
I agree with this guys Blog: http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/06/03/this-poor-child-is-confused-not-transgendered/
 
 
Of course, the "media" fully supports this type of things.........as seen here: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/san-diego-parents-reveal-story-transgender-daughter-boy-5-article-1.1811066........ makes me sick to my stomach!!

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/04 11:26:56 (permalink)
For the record, my "fail" picture in the FSF was put in before you posted this.
(I don't want people to think I'm even more insensitive than I already am.  )
 
As for the story above, I think this is a better case for child services to get involved than most (except that they're a Government agency which usually means the most illogical path is taken... *Sigh*  )

 
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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/04 11:31:34 (permalink)
Nothing wrong with having a sex change, but maybe 5 years is a little (just a little, little, little) too young to make such a decision.

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/04 11:35:31 (permalink)
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For the record, my "fail" picture in the FSF was put in before you posted this.
(I don't want people to think I'm even more insensitive than I already am.  )
 
As for the story above, I think this is a better case for child services to get involved than most (except that they're a Government agency which usually means the most illogical path is taken... *Sigh*  )


No worries Craig.......your post just reminded me of the news (which I rarely watch nowadays) I saw last night.
 
I don't expect anything good to come out this story........"normal" people are a rare breed these days......most peculiar mama.

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/04 23:17:37 (permalink)
Anything for a 15 minutes of fame. ANYTHING.
 
People can't simply be understanding and supportive in private - they have to put names on everything and turn just about anything into an official public statement of some kind - their private lives, their family issues, their children's. They need to turn everything into a cause - and have coloured wristbands to show every one just how fantastic they are and how caring they are.
 
In the end, it's their world. Personally, I've decided to try to avoid being exposed to humans as much as I can. 

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/04 23:21:24 (permalink)
And if you had any hope for humanity left - one of the Kardashians is about to spawn for the 3rd time. 

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/04 23:53:52 (permalink)
At least they waited until she reached the age of 5 to decide that it wasn't a phase 
 
But yeah, a lot of these parents are using their kids as media props. I've seen a few articles over the last couple of years in which mothers announced to their world that they still breast feed their 6 year old sons (pictured). I just want to reach into my computer and bang these idiots' heads together. They're plastering their kids all over the internet without so much of a thought about how those kids are going to feel about it later. I remember reading an article about a mommy blogger who shut down her blog because she suddenly realized that she had no idea whether her kids were going to be OK with their photos all over the internet as they grow older. She was right. I would feel mortified when my mother got out the family albums when we had people over. Can't imagine how angry these kids are going to feel when they realize anyone can Google their name and hit upon the most embarrassing photos, blog posts and articles about them. 

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/05 01:20:03 (permalink)
As George Carlin once said, "The average person is pretty dumb, but the real kicker is that half the population is even dumber than that!"

 
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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/05 02:34:19 (permalink)
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As George Carlin once said, "The average person is pretty dumb, but the real kicker is that half the population is even dumber than that!"




As I got older, I've decided to take a positive stance - those people reconcile me with the fact that I am mortal. Give me another 20 or 30 years max, and I'll be glad as hell to leave this whole place and the idiots in it behind.

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/05 09:04:48 (permalink)
At that age, (2-5) the parents are the ones deciding what clothes to dress the kid in and what toys to buy them. Parents have total control of the early formative years. Which means, essentially, they can really screw up that little child's head big time.  

My opinion (for what it's worth) is if the child is male, treat them and raise them as males. That means toys, games, activities, clothing, etc...  Now..... if the child upon reaching an appropriate age has gender identity issues, then you can have a deeper look....actually that young person/adult can have that deeper look.
 
In the event you think I'm biased to the conservative side of this issue..... case in point:  My little brother, growing up, did all the normal boy things. He and I were raised as "rough and tumble" boys of the 50's and 60's were raised back then by our parents. We hunted, fished, played baseball and football, and did all sorts of typical boy things. We both dated girls, got married and had kids.  As he approached his  mid 30's or so, he began to feel like he wasn't quite "right". He later told me he had felt this way since puberty as a teen but kept it quiet for social reasons.  Long story short, after many years of counseling and therapy to resolve the issues, he opted to undergo gender reassignment surgery. Now, my brother has become my sister legally and in every other way as well. No one pushed him to this decision other than he himself but only when he was an adult and fully capable of understanding ALL of the ramifications involved.....certainly not at the age of 2 or 5.
 
It was undoubtedly harder for the family to accept this than it was for my brother to do this. My brother has been my sister now for many years and we are all on good terms and while I don't agree with the choice, as well as other family members don't agree either, we accept that this is what our sister wanted, and she has to live with this decision. She does seem to be happy, well adjusted, and enjoying life as a woman.  She still wears camo, drives a 4 wheel drive truck, runs a business, fishes and hunts and field dresses the game..... so hey..... life is good. I go to visit, stay with my sister when I do and we go out and hunt, shoot guns and have a good time..... just like the old days......except she can't pee on the trees in the woods anymore like I can or write her name in the snow as easily.
 
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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/05 10:53:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2014/06/05 13:23:58
I don't know the specifics of this particular case, but there are legitimate reasons to prescribe a gender change for a child.
 
Birth defects can include malformed or incompletely-developed genitals, such that the attending physician has to take a guess at the sex of the infant. Sometimes, they guess wrong, and saddle that individual with a lifetime of gender confusion. Male/female psychological differences are profound and begin to show up at a surprisingly young age, long before puberty. 


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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/05 14:12:51 (permalink)
I think the child should be supported in his decision.  In the immortal words of Sheryl Crow, "if it makes you happy, it can't be that bad."

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/07 13:03:39 (permalink)
No one would think to doubt the child's word if they said their stomach, throat, or ears hurt.  Yet somehow, if it has to do with a state of mind, suddenly it couldn't possibly be coming from the kid.
 
My brother-in-law is female to male transgendered.  One day, we somehow we got onto the topic of his growing up.  From when he could first remember, he always knew he was a boy, he just had the wrong gear.  He couldn't understand why his parents made him wear a shirt when all the other boys in the neighborhood were running around without them.
 
Certainly, the plural of anecdote is not data, but I think it is very reasonable to expect that kids that young "know" that they are boys and girls and sometimes what they know doesn't match their bodies.  
 
Given that the suicide rates amongst transgendered people are extremely high and that transgendered people suffer a host of abuses at the hands of the ignorant, perhaps this kid's parents are just trying to make sure that their child knows that they have a safe place where they are loved and accepted.
 

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/07 14:54:50 (permalink)
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No one would think to doubt the child's word if they said their stomach, throat, or ears hurt.  Yet somehow, if it has to do with a state of mind, suddenly it couldn't possibly be coming from the kid.
 
My brother-in-law is female to male transgendered.  One day, we somehow we got onto the topic of his growing up.  From when he could first remember, he always knew he was a boy, he just had the wrong gear.  He couldn't understand why his parents made him wear a shirt when all the other boys in the neighborhood were running around without them.
 
Certainly, the plural of anecdote is not data, but I think it is very reasonable to expect that kids that young "know" that they are boys and girls and sometimes what they know doesn't match their bodies.  
 
Given that the suicide rates amongst transgendered people are extremely high and that transgendered people suffer a host of abuses at the hands of the ignorant, perhaps this kid's parents are just trying to make sure that their child knows that they have a safe place where they are loved and accepted.
 




I'm all for supporting the kid. It's the endless thirst for public notoriety that's questionable. 
 
Can't people do that anymore? Show support w/o nominating themselves for awards? Do something nice without publicizing it on Twitter and FB? 

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/07 15:15:22 (permalink)
And you know, the more I think about it... 
 
In a way, we're teaching an entire generation that self-acceptance and your relatives and friends support isn't enough, that one needs the whole wide world to "accept" you (no matter how hypocritically).
 
It's absolutely unhealthy, in a sense.
 
I don't know about you, but I've gained confidence by facing adversity - with the support of my relatives - not by avoiding everything.
 
Obviously, there's a balance to be found, somewhere in the middle.

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/07 15:29:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/06/07 15:26:18
I don't disagree that the video/award has a certain reality show unseemliness about it.  And I have no idea if the goal of the parents is too educate others or to score a reality show for themselves (none of us do).
 
My original comments were mainly directed towards anyone that would think that no child could possibly feel trapped in the wrong kind of body.

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/08 05:32:35 (permalink)
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Can't people do that anymore? Show support w/o nominating themselves for awards? Do something nice without publicizing it on Twitter and FB? 



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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/08 10:43:45 (permalink)
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As for the story above, I think this is a better case for child services to get involved than most (except that they're a Government agency which usually means the most illogical path is taken... *Sigh*  )




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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/08 15:14:27 (permalink)
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I saw this in the news last night and as a parent, I'm appauled at what these "parents" are putting this little innocent child into................what is this world coming to???
 
 
I agree with this guys Blog: http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/06/03/this-poor-child-is-confused-not-transgendered/
 
 
Of course, the "media" fully supports this type of things.........as seen here: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/san-diego-parents-reveal-story-transgender-daughter-boy-5-article-1.1811066........ makes me sick to my stomach!!




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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/08 17:35:51 (permalink)
From that Matt Walsh blog: 
 
They tell us in one breath that it’s OK for boys to like pink and girls to like blue, and we should stop expecting our sons to play sports and our daughters to play with dolls. These are just social norms, they say. We should not subscribe to such archaic notions. But suddenly they proceed to derail their own narrative when they next inform you that a girl liking blue and a boy playing with dolls might actually be a sign that the girl is a boy and the boy is a girl.


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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/08 17:49:12 (permalink)
I grew up an overly-sensitive, frail kid spending all my time drawing, reading, listening to music, daydreaming. My father loathed me. My only friends were practically all girls (though if the old man had known the games I played w/ them, he would have been re-assured I guess. Man, I had all the girls of the neighbourhood to myself because the rest of the boys didn't care for girls at that age!).
 
All in all, I didn't like the typical boy stuff and didn't get along with boys all that much. 
 
My little brother was the exact opposite of me - and all that my dad had ever dreamed of in a son. He was bigger than I ever was, confident, extroverted, dug all the classic boy stuff, the Rambo movies, anything with Schwarzenneger in it, he dug biking with his friends, going out, going hunting with my dad.
 
As it turned out, I went on to become quite the ladies man (if I may say so in all humility) while my brother eventually "came out of the closet". 
 
So much for the norms. 

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/08 18:07:17 (permalink)
I didn't really like any "gender specific" stuff when I was a kid. Didn't like playing with guns much, or reading war comics or soccer comics. Didn't like Spiderman or any other superheroes. Wasn't really into toy cars or toy soldiers or any of that. On the other hand, I had a dislike for girly stuff too. Hated pink, hated My Little Pony and all of the pastel shaded junk that little girls seem to surround themselves with. I liked girls from a young age however and in fact recall being something of horny little perv from a very young age (like maybe 5 or 6). Looking up girl's skirts, following them into the bathroom, that sort of thing. LOL! But even today I'm still not a fan of things that are overly feminine or girly - I have never dated a girl who wore makeup or high heels, for instance. And most of the "babes" that seemed to get my friends in a state never did anything for me. I was always attracted to girls who were good looking but not in a "doll" kind of way. I once got called gay because I said that Pamela Anderson does nothing for me. She really doesn't. Miss world contests? Don't find a single one of them attractive. Peta Toppano? Kate Bush? Hubba hubba! 
 
But yeah kids go through all kind of weird phases which don't necessarily define them for the rest of their lives. At the age of 6, I decided that I felt sorry for trash, and started hoarding it in a drawer in my bedroom. That lasted until my mother opened it and discovered hundreds of orange peels, rotting apple cores, half eaten sandwiches, candy wrappers etc. And she threw them in the trash immediately without letting me say goodbye. I was an emotional wreck 

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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/08 19:28:51 (permalink)
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I grew up an overly-sensitive, frail kid spending all my time drawing, reading, listening to music, daydreaming. My father loathed me. My only friends were practically all girls (though if the old man had known the games I played w/ them, he would have been re-assured I guess. Man, I had all the girls of the neighbourhood to myself because the rest of the boys didn't care for girls at that age!).
 
All in all, I didn't like the typical boy stuff and didn't get along with boys all that much. 
 
My little brother was the exact opposite of me - and all that my dad had ever dreamed of in a son. He was bigger than I ever was, confident, extroverted, dug all the classic boy stuff, the Rambo movies, anything with Schwarzenneger in it, he dug biking with his friends, going out, going hunting with my dad.
 
As it turned out, I went on to become quite the ladies man (if I may say so in all humility) while my brother eventually "came out of the closet". 
 
So much for the norms. 




Hello brother from another mother... I still tend to hang out with the females. I don't like to talk hunting, gardening, fishing, or other typical guy stuff. Actually I am pretty happy to be left alone. I was never in any clique in school, all the holes were square and I was round. Maybe I was actually more triangular...
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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/08 19:36:13 (permalink)
I have mixed feelings on this kind of things. I honestly have to say I find it strange that something as complex as sexuality can be accurately and definitively etched in stone by 5. At the same time I have no clue what it feels like to experience what this child claims to experience. I helped produce a tv show once that interviewed transgendered people and their stories gave me better insight but also made me realize just how much I still don't know. Sexuality and gender issues can be complicated for those that ( at least on the surface) have these things somewhat clearly defined. Can't imagine what it is like for those that nature made a little more ambiguous. I guess I am relieved it is unlikely I will ever have to deal with it directly in my life.
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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/08 21:31:19 (permalink)
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Hello brother from another mother... I still tend to hang out with the females. I don't like to talk hunting, gardening, fishing, or other typical guy stuff. Actually I am pretty happy to be left alone. I was never in any clique in school, all the holes were square and I was round. Maybe I was actually more triangular...
I was in choir, was a voice major in college until I transferred to "PARTY" and joined a RnR band. I love guitar,I love LOUD guitar. Life is good, always has been... even when it is bad, it is GOOD!
 
It is what it is....
 
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Re: 5 year old transgender boy 2014/06/09 23:23:12 (permalink)
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I don't know the specifics of this particular case, but there are legitimate reasons to prescribe a gender change for a child.
 
Birth defects can include malformed or incompletely-developed genitals, such that the attending physician has to take a guess at the sex of the infant. Sometimes, they guess wrong, and saddle that individual with a lifetime of gender confusion. Male/female psychological differences are profound and begin to show up at a surprisingly young age, long before puberty. 


You bring up some good points.  Unfortunately, that's not what this case is about.
 
The girl decided she didn't like pink, said she was a boy, said that when her family died she would cut her hair.  This started at age 2 and by age 5 the parents decided to treat her like a boy.
 
The parents say by that treating their child as a boy (note - the article did not explicitly say surgery) they hoped to save their child from pain and confusion.  However, I can't help but think that they are just kicking the can down the road.
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