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A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
Just thought I would mention this because I've heard many times that MSE won't really interfere with a DAW. I used to pretty much always leave it disabled but have been having such good luck with X3 I've kind of been letting it slide and leaving the MSE Real Time Protections on. I had however been getting brief whiteouts in X3 when loading a project. I've done a bunch of stuff recently that I thought might clear this up (updated Windows, updated Sonar...) but was still getting the whiteouts.
Just now I loaded my current project and got the usual lag/whiteout and because I had been online recently remembered that I had MSE turned on (and I had actually had it on for months without realizing it). So I opened MSE (with Sonar running... don't do that... lol) and turned of Real Time Protection. The MSE graphics kind of morphed into the X3 graphics and left graphical residue in the Sonar GUI.
So I closed Sonar and reloaded the project. Sonar opened up REALLY fast and when I loaded the project there was no whiteout. Tada!
Still it did not seem to interfere with the actual performance of Sonar but I have a high powered rig. Just bringing this up because this is actually the first time I've pretty much been able to directly correlate a functionality problem with Sonar in relation to MSE.
Correlation does not equal causation but it does hint that perhaps MSE isn't quite as non-intrusive as some people would have us believe.
Cheers.
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/04 11:29:46
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With Microsoft Defender (part of Essentials?) you can specify folders to exclude. Have you tried adding all of your Sonar related folders to the exclude list?
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Beepster
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/04 11:37:21
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sharke
With Microsoft Defender (part of Essentials?) you can specify folders to exclude. Have you tried adding all of your Sonar related folders to the exclude list?
Ain't nobody got time for that. ;-p I just keep the network cable unplugged. Honestly I had just forgotten to turn it off the last time I was online and wasn't really getting any problems doing actual work. The whiteouts were tweaking my OCD tendencies though and when the updates/patches didn't clear them up I figured I would see what happened. This was only one time though so maybe the whiteouts will come back and I'll have to eat my words. Still it makes sense. MSE was likely scanning all sorts of crap in this project.
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/04 14:00:31
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I have never had ANY issues with any program with MSE being on fwiw.
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/04 14:05:13
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I have never had to touch MSE (on win 7 or 8) and have had no issues either. But if it works for you better when its off, who am I to argue!
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/04 20:20:09
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To exclude files and folders:
"Open Microsoft Security Essentials, click the Settings tab and select Excluded files & locations, and then use the Add button to select files, folders, or drives."
I excude this with ZoneAlarm, adapt to your needs:
C:\windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore\Logs\res*.log
C:\windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore\Logs\res*.jrs
C:\windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore\Logs\edb.chk
C:\windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore\Logs\Tmp.edb
c:\windows\Security\Database\*.edb
c:\windows\Security\Database\*.sdb
c:\windows\Security\Database\*.log
c:\windows\Security\Database\*.chk
c:\windows\Security\Database\*.jrs
C:\ProgramData\NTUser.pol
C:\Windows\System32\GroupPolicy\Registry.pol
D:\Cakewalk Shared\
D:\Cakewalk Content\
D:\Cakewalk Projects\
D:\Cakewalk X2 Projects\
D:\Cakewalk X3 Projects\
Please don't turn off your virus scanner :)... It's dangerous...
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/05 09:30:49
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As long as the network is enabled, security software is always doing something because you're constantly getting hit with network traffic of some kind. I use the Comodo firewall here and it's especially intrusive, sometimes to the extent that I have to stop working on my audio project altogether because it's eating 99% of the CPU.
On top of that I have a memory leak, the source of which I haven't pinpointed yet beyond identifying it as a network-related service. It'll literally eat half my RAM if I don't reboot every 2-3 days.
Bottom line is if you can't have a dedicated offline DAW, the next-best solution is to set up a separate profile for it, one in which the network is completely disabled and all security, firewalls and anti-virus software is shut off.
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Paul G
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/05 10:21:50
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I keep my network adapter off on my DAW setup but after turning off Defender last night the 'white screen' went away. I'm happy. Thanks Beep! Paul 
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/05 11:30:29
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bitflipper
As long as the network is enabled, security software is always doing something because you're constantly getting hit with network traffic of some kind. I use the Comodo firewall here and it's especially intrusive, sometimes to the extent that I have to stop working on my audio project altogether because it's eating 99% of the CPU.
On top of that I have a memory leak, the source of which I haven't pinpointed yet beyond identifying it as a network-related service. It'll literally eat half my RAM if I don't reboot every 2-3 days.
Bottom line is if you can't have a dedicated offline DAW, the next-best solution is to set up a separate profile for it, one in which the network is completely disabled and all security, firewalls and anti-virus software is shut off.
I setup a profile for audio years ago on a XP computer. Do you have any pointers for doing that on a Win8 machine?
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Beepster
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/05 11:59:46
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CakeAlexS
To exclude files and folders:
"Open Microsoft Security Essentials, click the Settings tab and select Excluded files & locations, and then use the Add button to select files, folders, or drives."
I excude this with ZoneAlarm, adapt to your needs:
C:\windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore\Logs\res*.log
C:\windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore\Logs\res*.jrs
C:\windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore\Logs\edb.chk
C:\windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore\Logs\Tmp.edb
c:\windows\Security\Database\*.edb
c:\windows\Security\Database\*.sdb
c:\windows\Security\Database\*.log
c:\windows\Security\Database\*.chk
c:\windows\Security\Database\*.jrs
C:\ProgramData\NTUser.pol
C:\Windows\System32\GroupPolicy\Registry.pol
D:\Cakewalk Shared\
D:\Cakewalk Content\
D:\Cakewalk Projects\
D:\Cakewalk X2 Projects\
D:\Cakewalk X3 Projects\
Please don't turn off your virus scanner :)... It's dangerous...
Yeah... perhaps telling people to turn it off isn't technically the best advice because sh*t happens BUT for me it's alright because: a) I ONLY plug in my ethernet cable when I am going online and when I am online I do not surf or do anything beyond downloading updates or programs. b) I do not have any kind of wireless adapter on the system or any stuff like the bluetooth thingies set up so once that cable is unplugged nothing is getting in. c) I am meticulous/paranoid enough to always remember to reactivate MSE before I go online and I have MSE set to warn me when it's disabled anyway. d) When I am online I use a browser with heavy script and ad blockers and only allow what is absolutely necessary for what I am doing and then disable those scripts as soon as I'm done as well as use private browsing windows and stuff. e) My Windows and browser security settings are set to the max possible blockage of everything. If any of those things are not possible for anyone they should just leave it on and do the exemptions that Alex and sharke are referring to if they run into trouble. Remember though MSE is good but it is light and might not be as much protection as other programs so... no donkey pr0n on the DAW folks. Not that I'm judging. ;-)
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Beepster
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/05 12:00:51
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Paul G
I keep my network adapter off on my DAW setup but after turning off Defender last night the 'white screen' went away. I'm happy. Thanks Beep!
Paul
Glad to help. Just be careful and remember to turn it on and scan any files you might import onto the system from like a flash drive or whatever. Cheers.
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/05 12:53:29
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Yep,,, my internet cable is 20' away from my DAW where it stays until once in a blue moon I have to do some updating. And that's only the stupid kind that force you on the net like Steinberg..The rest are brought in on a well scanned USB drive.
Computers are dirt cheap, Keep an old beater for the internet and if it blows up because you went poking in dark places on the net--, re build it! Unless your DAW is a part time hobby or whatever, if you have the option unplug it!
I have MSE installed on my DAW but it is always off and red.
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Splat
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/05 13:00:17
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If you prefer to disable ethernet periodically, keep your Ethernet cable plugged in. Just disable the adapter (right click disable). More resources saved that way as well.
I keep mine on. You would never catch me disabling AV or firewall and I STRONGLY advise others not to do so. Your machine is powerful enough to handle it. If you have issues then it is not configured correctly.
Cheers...
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/05 13:05:15
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The Cable is unplugged AND the adapter is disabled. The cable is unplugged because it's in another room otherwise I'd do as you say.. My computer is heavy and hard to get at the back!!
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Beepster
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/05 13:21:23
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CakeAlexS
If you prefer to disable ethernet periodically, keep your Ethernet cable plugged in. Just disable the adapter (right click disable). More resources saved that way as well.
I keep mine on.
Cheers...
Well I'm no hxx0rz kid but to me it seems that disabling the connection through so called "logical" connections (AKA software) would be more easily compromised than disabling the "physical" connection (no wire for anything to go through even if the system is somehow compromised). Basically just trusting that the o/s actually DID cut the connection AND that a skilled individual wouldn't be able to override that command does not provide me with the same comfort that yanking the cord right out the back of the system (which actually takes LESS time than disabling the network card "logically"). And even if the system is compromised somehow if you only have the "physical" connection hooked up for short periods like I do it likely isn't enough time for any nefarious neer do wells to access the system to do anything useful to them like use it as a zombie, download data, upload data, etc. It is an overabundance of caution but that's my DAW so I treat it like I would a guitar or an amp. I kind of liken leaving it connected to the tubes like leaving a piece of gear out on the sidewalk during load in. Get it in the club or back into the jam space ASAP and keep a VERY close eye on it while it sits there out in the open. My laptop is where I do all my surfing and general internet nonsense because I can wipe/restore it very easily if something goes wacky.
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Splat
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/05 13:32:07
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If you disable the driver (adapter) it stops working and then nothing has access to the TCP/IP stack or any other protocol stack. Network is killed. You do not ever need to unplug Ethernet cable unless your cable is too short. But if it makes you feel happier :) Cheers.
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/07 06:21:31
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After a lifetime of no viral computer infections I must say I'm very disappointed with MSE which did not detect a recent virus and Trojan on my computer. I was subject to a barrage of spam and had my email account suspended by my ISP it was so severe.
Multiple runs of MSE didn't find a thing and pronounced my system clean and protected. Fortunately this was on my laptop and not my DAW.
I have since switched to a subscription service through my ISP.
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Splat
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/07 07:24:13
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I've never seen a virus scanner detect all viruses. I think they are all pretty lousy but better than nothing. I run a ZoneAlarm Extreme subscription but I'm going to change as soon as the subscription expires mainly because of lousy tech support and ridiculous censorship in their forums.
I've recently become extremely impressed with the latest version of malwarebytes. I had to clean up a friends machine recently and it was the only scanner that worked well, and now they do real time scanning.
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/07 07:49:35
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I normally have no viruses... But recently I have browsed my old archive, and I have noticed that "something" was "awaken"... I have found one beast manually, packed it into archive and tried to detect it using antiviruses.
Windows Defender from 8.1 and the latest Avira was not able to recognize it even as potentially dangerous. But g-data has immediately spotted it. At our University, after switch to Windows 8, we have thought we are reasonably safe by default. The same was for me with Avira. Really disappointed...
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/07 09:34:06
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After a lifetime of no viral computer infections I must say I'm very disappointed with MSE which did not detect a recent virus and Trojan on my computer. I was subject to a barrage of spam and had my email account suspended by my ISP it was so severe.
Multiple runs of MSE didn't find a thing and pronounced my system clean and protected. Fortunately this was on my laptop and not my DAW.
I have since switched to a subscription service through my ISP.
I definitely wouldn't trust MSE for general browsing even if the "experts" give it high marks. I've been using Avast for years and it's been really good but lately they've started to get weird. I think they got sold and now it's annoying as heck, it seems to cause more lag than it used to and I have a feeling it's not quite as powerful/effective as it used to be. I am seriously considering trying something else next time I wipe this system. CakeAlexS
I've recently become extremely impressed with the latest version of malwarebytes. I had to clean up a friends machine recently and it was the only scanner that worked well, and now they do real time scanning.
Now THAT is interesting. So they've basically when from an alternate scanning tool to being a full blown AV? Because yeah... MWB has always been really good... it just wasn't a substitute for a regular AV. hmmm...
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/07 09:43:48
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I normally have no viruses... But recently I have browsed my old archive, and I have noticed that "something" was "awaken"... I have found one beast manually, packed it into archive and tried to detect it using antiviruses.
Windows Defender from 8.1 and the latest Avira was not able to recognize it even as potentially dangerous. But g-data has immediately spotted it. At our University, after switch to Windows 8, we have thought we are reasonably safe by default. The same was for me with Avira. Really disappointed...
Best practice is to run multiple scans with different tools and preferably in Safe Mode (because sometimes the virus code dudes will put something in there that disables the AV or hides itself or something and in Safe Mode NOTHING is allowed to start except the essentials and whatever you execute). When I think I've got something weird going on I'll scan with my regular AV then follow that up with a Malwarebytes scan and a Spybot Search and Destroy scan. Then I might even run HiJackThis to see if there is anything weird going on but I'm not really smart enough to read those darned logs. Still it is the most thorough one of the bunch because it logs EVERYTHING your computer is doing and will give you a general description of what's normal, what's unnecessary and what could possibly be a threat BUT none of it is definitive AND if you delete something you could be deleting something your computer actually needs. When I wipe this system and install a clean copy of Windows what I'm going to do is get the system set up with everything I'm likely to use then run HiJackThis and save the log. Then I can compare that to any future logs to see if any new stuff starts running for no reason. That way I can delete stuff if it looks weird without worrying it's gonna screwup my system. If it does then I can just do a system restore or wipe anyway but unless it's a new and needed Windows thing then it should be fine. Also CCleaner while not an AV is another nice tool to have to clean up crap that can be clogging up a system.
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/07 10:55:03
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To the OP.....
I find that the first time I open SONAR after a reboot... it takes a long time..... if I quit SONAR and restart it without a reboot, it loads in less than half the time as compared to after the reboot. The behavior you described may be related to this and not have MSE turned off.
I think the reason it loads faster after the initial load has to do with stuff already cached thus avoiding as many hard drive reads to load it up.
Just my thoughts and experience.
Jim
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/07 11:22:46
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jkleban
To the OP.....
I find that the first time I open SONAR after a reboot... it takes a long time..... if I quit SONAR and restart it without a reboot, it loads in less than half the time as compared to after the reboot. The behavior you described may be related to this and not have MSE turned off.
I think the reason it loads faster after the initial load has to do with stuff already cached thus avoiding as many hard drive reads to load it up.
Just my thoughts and experience.
Jim
This is true as well but in my case it seems to be the VST scan. Right now after disabling MSE the VST scan takes a few seconds then the next time I reopen Sonar it's pretty much instantaneous. When I had MSE turned on it would take waaaaay longer. Like ten seconds just for the first VST scan and sometimes more. However my whiteouts were occurring when I went to load my project. I'd generally wait for the VST scan to complete then open my project and then the whiteout would occur and it would take generally take about 5-10 seconds (but sometimes longer) for the project to load. Now with MSE off upon boot up it takes at most 3-5 seconds for the VST scan (usually less) then about 2-4 seconds or so to load the project (and it is a pretty large project with LOTS of audio/MIDI clips). After that (without rebooting) the VST scan is instantaneous and the project usually loads in 2 seconds. In both cases there is absolutely no whiteouts whereas before there was ALWAYS a whiteout. It wasn't always a "full" whiteout though. The QuickStart dialog would go white (yes I still use the QuickStart because I find it handy) and the borders of the Sonar window would go white and say "Not Responding". It was definitely being scanned. Not a big deal because it didn't interfere with my work as far as I could tell but crashes or weirdness while I'm working makes me REALLY angry. Kind of like when people messed with me on stage. Dangerous business. I'm tryin' work up here!!! lol Funny story... I was playing a rather large one off gig out of town and some drunk kid was rolling around on the stage all over my pedals making them turn on/off, screwing up the setting, making patch cable noise into the PA, etc. I told him like three times to cut it out and even told his girlfriend to get him off the stage or he was gonna get smacked around. Well he did it again so I started wailing on him. My bandmates pulled me off and the kid scurried off into the crowd. Like a year later some guy comes up to me on the street and says "Hey! It's you! THE ANGRIEST GUITAR PLAYER ON THE PLANET!!" and kept on walking. Took me a minute but I'm pretty sure it was that kid. lol It may have been one of the other dummies I manhandled for messing with me on stage though. There were so many.
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/07 15:18:28
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CakeAlexS
I've recently become extremely impressed with the latest version of malwarebytes. I had to clean up a friends machine recently and it was the only scanner that worked well, and now they do real time scanning.
Beepster
Now THAT is interesting. So they've basically when from an alternate scanning tool to being a full blown AV? Because yeah... MWB has always been really good... it just wasn't a substitute for a regular AV.
hmmm...
I just bought a very cheap lifetime premium license here for $19. Seems to be a very cheap deal and lifetime licenses will cease to exist very soon indeed. There is also a 14 day trial available. (Usual advice, if you try it out you need to cleanly uninstall any other virus scanner before installation). Good riddance ZoneAlarm!
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/07 16:53:22
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/07 18:13:05
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Beepster,
Why are you doing a VST scan each time you load SONAR? Are you adding and removing all kinds of VSTs often?
I only do a manual scan whenever I add or update a VST and turn off the SCAN upon startup option. Adds too much time to get going for me.
Jim
PS - I don't think I have MSE turned on but now that you brought this to my attention, I will check. I only connect to the NET when I update software from my DAW.
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/07 21:07:42
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Just get defender or whatever to exclude the files/folders. Your plugin folder if you like.
You really don't need to turn it off your antivirus unless you are running an antique PC, you just need to configure it (#6).
I leave my plugin settings at manual scan as well. Quicker startup that way.
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/08 10:59:50
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jkleban
Beepster,
Why are you doing a VST scan each time you load SONAR? Are you adding and removing all kinds of VSTs often?
I only do a manual scan whenever I add or update a VST and turn off the SCAN upon startup option. Adds too much time to get going for me.
Jim
PS - I don't think I have MSE turned on but now that you brought this to my attention, I will check. I only connect to the NET when I update software from my DAW.
IDK... it's always just done that so I'm assuming the Scanner is set to automatically do it on startup. It doesn't bother me because and takes very little time (if any at all) and honestly I kind of prefer it that way so if I add another plug in (which rarely happens because I'm broke/cheap but does happen occasionally) it just gets found instead of me having to poke around the VST Preferences. As far as excluding folders I'm sure that would help with the startup issue but MSE is likely still doing stuff in the background (like checking for updates or its own status). My projects tend to get big and I try a lot of weird stuff that probably isn't normal usage of the program so I just prefer not to risk having a project get corrupted or clicks/pops occurring that I may not notice until I start mixing (gawd I hate when that happens). Also there are certain tasks I perform that need the computer's full attention because they are kind of flaky at the best of times. *cough* audiosnap *cough* ;-p
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/08 11:06:48
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I've never turned MSE off and I haven't seen it cause any problems in the way of corruption or clicks and pops. I have all of my Sonar and project folders excluded from protection though. Realistically there's all sorts of stuff going on in the background in Windows - if Sonar needed 100% of the CPU then it just wouldn't work at all.
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Re: A note about Microsoft Security Essentials and Sonar: Turn it off.
2014/06/08 11:18:21
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I actually don't allow Windows to do much of anything in the background wherever possible (optimized system even though I probably have enough power to not need that). I haven't had any real problems with X3 as of yet but definitely did with X2 and those problems certainly seemed to increase with MSE on.
Habit and paranoia I guess but as I said I REALLY hate little interruptions while I'm working. I get distracted enough by things the program is actually supposed to do. Like yesterday I couldn't figure out why when I unmuted one take the previously audible take was still unmuted when I distinctly recalled (or dreamed) that doing so WOULD mute the previous take. Eventually I figured out that I could just use the Smart Tool and click in the bottom half of a clip for this function BUT I wasted about 15 minutes screwing around with that, nearly posted a thread, had a smoke, looked at some other threads and just generally got off track for about an hour. When I get crashes or glitches I get way more off course and frustrated.
I REALLY need to get my work ethic for this stuff to be like when I had an actual job. I was just changing the strings on my guitar, one got stuck in the saddle (which happens all the time) then I had to poop, then I made a tea, then I answered a question here, looked at some news stories and posted in this thread. My guitar is still sitting on my desk waiting to be cleaned and restrung.
lol... I suck.
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