My Roland TTS1 doesnt respond to GS patches -plays Piano 1 instead- in GS MIDIs. Puzzled..

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My Roland TTS1 doesnt respond to GS patches -plays Piano 1 instead- in GS MIDIs. Puzzled..

Hello there. I use the TTS1 for almost everything, since I love it, and it's excellent to start composing music, draft sounds and stuff.
 
Problem comes when I use it to play GS compatible MIDI files for the sake of it, as it doesn't respond to patch changes, and I dont know why it doesn't. It drives me mad 'cos it is not used to the full that way.
 
Band in a Box, RealBand, and of course Music Creator 6 Touch are fully compatible with DXi instruments from the get go, but even when I use those, once I load a MIDI file with GS / GM2 patches in it, the TTS1 resorts to the Piano 1 instead of the original patches and that's quite disheartening.
 
Am I missing anything? Any help would be appreciated.
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    Kalle Rantaaho
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    Re: My Roland TTS1 doesnt respond to GS patches -plays Piano 1 instead- in GS MIDIs. Puzzl 2014/06/07 07:24:34 (permalink)
    IIRC, emphasizing the if, TTS-1 has the peculiar feature of wanting its patch changes in the MIDI track header instead of the VSTs UI patch window. I don't remember the details and I might remember all wrong.

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    Re: My Roland TTS1 doesnt respond to GS patches -plays Piano 1 instead- in GS MIDIs. Puzzl 2014/06/07 07:33:49 (permalink)
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    IIRC, emphasizing the if, TTS-1 has the peculiar feature of wanting its patch changes in the MIDI track header instead of the VSTs UI patch window. I don't remember the details and I might remember all wrong.


    hmmmm, that's quite interesting... Is there any way to overcome that? Because it has to be a way to realise the full potential of the synth without having to resort to manually modify every single patch melodic preset in a DAW when you just want to listen to a song or a playlist and things like that.
     
    If I could just load the MIDI file into the TTS1 without a go-between utility that could solve it. I noticed that all the Piano 1 melodic presets seem to be assigned to the user bank 1, and maybe that could be the cause?
     
    I wonder if there exists the TTS1 instrument definitions file to load all the TTS1 patches in the User bank 1.
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    Re: My Roland TTS1 doesnt respond to GS patches -plays Piano 1 instead- in GS MIDIs. Puzzl 2014/06/07 09:38:09 (permalink)
    It's not a go-between utility. It's a basic part of the MIDI signal path to TTS-1(or any soft synth).
    What's unusual is that you are seeing the user bank. The MIDI track would normally be directed to a preset bank, where all of the GM2 sounds are already stored.
    My guess is that the source file may be directing the bank setting to something beyond what TTS-2 can read. GS has a lot more sounds than GM2.
    Where are these files coming from?
     
    The Piano 1 patch is simply a placeholder in an otherwise empty bank. The majority of your instruments are in Preset Normal 1 and 0.
    Do you insert TTS-1 as a simple instrument track, or separate MIDI and synth audio tracks?

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    Re: My Roland TTS1 doesnt respond to GS patches -plays Piano 1 instead- in GS MIDIs. Puzzl 2014/06/07 12:17:17 (permalink)
    RobertB
    It's not a go-between utility. It's a basic part of the MIDI signal path to TTS-1(or any soft synth).
    What's unusual is that you are seeing the user bank. The MIDI track would normally be directed to a preset bank, where all of the GM2 sounds are already stored.
    My guess is that the source file may be directing the bank setting to something beyond what TTS-2 can read. GS has a lot more sounds than GM2.
    Where are these files coming from?
     
    The Piano 1 patch is simply a placeholder in an otherwise empty bank. The majority of your instruments are in Preset Normal 1 and 0.
    Do you insert TTS-1 as a simple instrument track, or separate MIDI and synth audio tracks?


    These files are simple MIDIs from real songs that I like to listen to on the Roland TTS1 as it has a soft, cool sound for me.
     
    I normally insert the TTS1 using the "Insert soft synth" option, as a single track, and it works very well. But in its native Music Creator 6 Touch it doesn't work with GS/GM2 melodic presets and it either chooses the Piano 1 or the GM equivalent, but not the actual preset of the song.
     
    Say it selects the Gunshot instead of the Laser Gun, the Rhodes Piano instead of the Detuned one, etc, and some songs kinda lose their tone because of that.
     
    I'd love to listen to those sounds as they are meant to be heard, and for now I can only do that with soundfonts. With the TTS1 I have to set them manually but this kinda ruins the purpose of easy listening a playlist in RealBand or listening to a single song with MC6 from the get go.
     
    Additionally, I might try something like that VSTHost, as in the video below, but I don't know... there has to be something wrong. I set RealBand to General MIDI 2 patches as default, it should work...
     

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    Re: My Roland TTS1 doesnt respond to GS patches -plays Piano 1 instead- in GS MIDIs. Puzzl 2014/06/08 03:14:07 (permalink)
    Sort of found where the issue is by asking the author of this video. Some VERY interesting comments from him in that video, for those interested. (remove the spaces in the link, regular links don't seem to work for me)
     
    https ://www .youtube. com /watch?v=UWIzlpUQe3Q
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