Question: Will using Melodyne on linked clips auotmatically edit both clips?

I'm about to give myself a crash course on Melodyne using a couple dual input bass tracks (two signals coming from my dual output guitar head). They are linked clips (or grouped or whatever) so if I use Region Effects to activate Melodyne on one clip and make changes will the other clip automatically reflect those changes as well?
 
Other related questions are... if it doesn't do this automatically how would I go about forcing it to do so (because they are identical tracks and I want them to stay perfectly in sync) and if I do manage to make this work the way I envision am I going to run into problems like glitches, crashes or any other strange behavior?
 
Just hoping others have already tried this type of thing and can offer their experiences. This is more of an educational exercise as opposed to something I REALLY need to do but I have some ideas that would benefit from this type of "two clips at a time" pitch shifting.
 
Thanks.

scook
It should be easy to test but I have to ask why create copies of uncorrected clips?

Hi, scook. They were recorded at the same time using the dual output on my amp so it's the same performance but each output has a different tone.
 
Cheers.

Signing up for a lot of Melodyne processing. The simple test I just performed confirmed my guess that Melodyne works on a per-clip basis and is completely unaware of any linking in SONAR. IOW, it is working directly on the waves. I suppose you could bounce the mono tracks into a single stereo track but it will still have two blobs for each note.
 
I am interested to read more creative solutions though.

scook
Signing up for a lot of Melodyne processing. The simple test I just performed confirmed my guess that Melodyne works on a per-clip basis and is completely unaware of any linking in SONAR. IOW, it is working directly on the waves. I suppose you could bounce the mono tracks into a single stereo track but it will still have two blobs for each note.
 
I am interested to read more creative solutions though.

Re creating a stereo clip: That is actually a really interesting suggestion because even if the blobs aren't linked they could be easily lassoed/selected and moved together based on my basic understanding of the program. So in theory if I need/want to move something up a tone (or a few cents) then I'm assuming they would land in the same spot. Then I could split the stereo track after I am done. Now I'm curious about how the included version of Melodyne handles stereo tracks. Is that considered polyphonic?
 
hmm...
 
Thanks for giving it a try. Honestly I am feeling rather ill today so figured I'd gather some information as I sit here feeling poopy.
 

mettelus
I have a hunch this will not work since they are not identical clips (hence cannot be linked) and only Melodyne Studio can open multiple tracks AFAIK. (Never used that version so not sure if that can link or not)

From a work flow perspective, modifying the original track and then cloning that for harmony work may be quickest/easiest.

Unfortunately cloning will not work because then I lose one of input signals. One signal is more of a clean, rounded DI signal and the other is a crisper amp style signal.
 
If I can't figure this out then I guess that would be a reason to look at the full version but it's a little pricey and not really high on my priority list. In the meantime if I REALLY needed to do this stuff I could just do both tracks individually and spend the time making sure they match. Not very convenient through.

some extra reading I found while searching for "melodyne on stereo track" on Google http://www.celemony.com/u...ic.php?f=10&t=3704 . There were some other threads which may give you some more ideas.

@scook...
 
Pretty much everything I'd use this on at the moment is single note so yeah... if the stereo trick works I'll owe you yet another proverbial "one". lol
 
As far as re-amping a DI signal after the fact the cableing and looping and whatnot would really be a challenge with this set up if it would work at all. I think MAYBE I could use the effects ins on the head but I'm assuming the results wouldn't be the same and the only other input is the main jack.
 
You mentioned you were curious about creating intervals with an audio signal using Melodyne (if I read that correctly). If you watch the Berklee vid Craig Anderton did a while back he actually does this with vocals to get some vocal harmonies on a cover of Can't Explain that sounds REALLY cool (I think that's the vid anyway... might have been something else he posted).
 
I figure accomplishing this with a bass part would get some good results as well. I like bass chords in general but having two strings ringing at the same time doesn't always sound as awesome as I think having the EXACT same plucked note pitch shifted will sound. It's just I've never really had the tech or know how to accomplish such a thing. Melodyne seems like a good tool to play around with this type of thing.
 
I still have some comping/flattening to do on these parts before I try this which I was going to do today but I seem to have given myself food poisoning so I'm just kind of being a lump today.
 
Stupid frozen hand me down perogies. :-/

Thanks Beep, I know about the interval stuff, I was talking about getting Melodyne Singletrack to operate on more than one track at a time.
 
The reason I mentioned chords was not in the context of Bass specifically but how Melodyne works general. Melodyne Essential cannot correct notes within a chord, it will treat the chord as a single blob. Melodyne Editor can make the individual notes within a chord available for editing. This is what Celemony means by polyphonic.
 
If re-amping proves unworkable, then making a single stereo track is the only idea off the top of my head as a workaround.

Hey Beeps, I was on my phone earlier, so could not get this link to you http://helpcenter.celemony.com/editor2/en/singletrack_tutorial_guitarsetup.html
 
Bottom line, learning the capabilities (and limitations) of Melodyne will benefit you greatly. It is not a "be all end all" solution to anything, and non-clean signals can "do it in." You need to know how to feed it to make it work.
 
Honestly... with a clean signal to your liking, I think you can achieve your goal via plug-ins/effects on clones. The only thing that can trip you up is if you have made 4 clones and want to change the lead... at that point splitting clips and redoing just the edited lead (and clones) seems to be quickest.
 
I just wanted to chime in again to give you that link. Editor has the same issues with a "non-clean" signal (in case you thought an upgrade would solve this); in fact, having no effects at all on a digital audio signal is the best way to use Melodyne. As an aside, you can easily send this signal through an external source (i.e., the other channel of your bass amp) and record it a new track to "paint" the other tone via hardware (in case sims get your goat).