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2014/06/13 09:29:48 (permalink)

Video question

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I don't do much with video and have never done anything with video in Sonar, but now I have to and I'm running into a few issues. Firstly, it doesn't seem to be reading the 4GB MOV file I got. I do have Quicktime installed. Is there any way to get it to do that? I don't necessarily need to export to MOV but I do need to read it.
 
Export-wise, the settings are a little abracadabra to me. It asks for a screen size and a bitrate, I find both hard to judge. Is there any way I can get it to follow the "original" settings? Or is there a way (other than a calculator) to say I want it to be, say 500MB?
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 09:40:00 (permalink)
    Sanderxpander...It asks for a screen size and a bitrate...



    It does--? - Sonar isn't a video editing program.  You can import video and then compose a soundtrack, but if you need to make changes to the video, that has to be done in a video editing program.
     
    It's best to make a scratch copy of the video at a lower resolution so it plays more easily in Sonar - It doesn't matter, since it's only standing in for the real video.  After you have your soundtrack done, then that audio and the real vid are brought into a video editing program where the two are married.
     
    But there shouldn't be any settings involving the video when you're ready to export the audio from Sonar -- you're only exporting the audio.
     
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 10:00:19 (permalink)
    No when I choose to export video I have to set all that stuff. I don't have a separate video editing program. And I don't really need to change the rate, it just makes me set something.
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 10:02:17 (permalink)
    Sonar and Quicktime and Windows are all a roll of the dice regarding playability.   I get Quicktime files from multiple sources to work on daily and never know which ones will play and which ones will not.  Some will play in Sonar,  some will not.
     
    I avoid issues by using a video program(s) (Vegas, Quicktime Pro ..both very inexpensive) to do the video chores.  I create an AVI file to work on in Sonar.  When I finish I export a stereo wav and generate a new picture file from one of the video programs. That is the quickest, safest, most efficient way to work picture files and Sonar.

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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 10:09:18 (permalink)
    Vegas is like 400 bucks. Quicktime Pro seems to be 30? Will I be able to convert into a more common Windows format reliably using QT Pro, and set different quality and stuff? I have Roxio Video Converter and no matter which setting I use I always get bad quality somehow.
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 10:21:33 (permalink)
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    No when I choose to export video I have to set all that stuff. I don't have a separate video editing program. And I don't really need to change the rate, it just makes me set something.

    AH - I see - Your posts made me go take a look in Sonar, Sanderxpander.  Get this - When working with video in Sonar, all I've ever wanted is to export the audio mix, so I have been blind to the fact that there's even an export video option! - I literally never paid attention, since I generally work with a dumbed down lower rez copy of the vid, work on audio, then go to my video program for final work.
     
    So now I've tested exporting an .avi file from Sonar.  I saw that there's an "Encoding Options" menu, but the defaults for both video and audio are "No compression."  In other words, without changing anything, the export will be a straight copy of the original, which is what you want.  You're not required to make any settings - there's just that pop-up to ignore.  You thought you Had to make choices?  You don't.
     
    --This is a side issue - but now that I've tried exporting video from Sonar, twice now, I've discovered something's wonky.  Sonar crashed both times - I'm not able to do it!  But I can do what I usually do - I tested exporting just the audio from the video, and that worked perfectly.
     
    As Jimbo suggested, you really need to get a video editing program if you want to be doing more with video.  There is the free Windows Movie Maker - I don't know if you can import video and audio separately in it, I've never tried that.
     
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 10:28:18 (permalink)
    So you say you ignore the popup and then it crashes? What happens if you don't ignore it?

    I don't mind paying 30 bucks for QT Pro if it does what I want but video is a tiny part of my work so I'm not really planning to invest 400 bucks into an entire video editing suite. All I need is to put different audio under it and possibly make the file a little smaller (like, 1GB for a 3 min vid instead of 4GB).
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 10:55:54 (permalink)
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    So you say you ignore the popup and then it crashes? What happens if you don't ignore it?...



    The crashing is a side issue - I have no idea why it's happening, but it has to be something going on here on my computer.  I'm sure video export is working for most people - So, I wouldn't worry about my crashing problem.
     
    But yes, I'm suggesting you ignore the popup since the default settings are simply to render an exact copy of the video without compression - without changing it.
     
    Do try the free Windows video program - It's worth looking into in case it does what you need.
     
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 12:12:06 (permalink)
    I bought Quicktime Pro now. I don't really see how I can replace the existing soundtrack with it, although it can seemingly extract video and audio separately (as can Sonar). Hints from experienced users are welcome.
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 12:15:37 (permalink)
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    I bought Quicktime Pro now. I don't really see how I can replace the existing soundtrack with it, although it can seemingly extract video and audio separately (as can Sonar). Hints from experienced users are welcome.

    OK, I use Power Director - The first step in putting a project together is to import media.  So I'll have video clips, still images, as well as audio files.  I drag what media I want on to the timeline.  If I'm replacing a soundtrack, I unlink the video and audio on the master clip, delete or mute the original audio, drag in the new soundtrack which is already in sync since it was developed in Sonar parallel to the video.  See?  It must work in a similar way with your program.
     
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 12:56:35 (permalink)
    Thanks, that's the way I thought it would work - very similar to Sonar itself. It doesn't seem to though. Does anyone have any experience with Quicktime Pro, specifically?
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 13:05:44 (permalink)
    Found it, Google is still my best friend. Not very elegant but it seems to work.
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 13:06:57 (permalink)
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    Found it, Google is still my best friend. Not very elegant but it seems to work.

    Found what?  Instructions on how to import audio?
     
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 13:15:23 (permalink)
    Instructions on how to replace it, yes. You can actually move it or anything. There is just "the audio track" without any visual timeline representation.
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 13:19:43 (permalink)
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    Instructions on how to replace it, yes. You can actually move it or anything. There is just "the audio track" without any visual timeline representation.

    That's right, Sanderx - I think that kind of editing is standard with any video editor.  You need to be able to move all sorts of clips around wherever you want - audio, stills, video, on as many layers as you want- You're going to have fun, I don't think there's any doubt!  I love working in my vid program.
     
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 13:26:48 (permalink)
    Sony Vegas makes entry level versions that are just as functional as the pro version except for track count.
    Under $100.
     

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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 13:34:13 (permalink)
    +1 to Sony Vegas.  Like you, I didn't want to make a major investment in video software I wouldn't use much, so I bought an older version of Vegas Studio on Amazon for $39, and it has solved all my problems for adding music tracks to video.  The best part is it comes with Sony Soundforge, which is great for making small adjustments to the Sonar music track, while viewing the video track.  

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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 14:33:02 (permalink)
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    Instructions on how to replace it, yes. You can actually move it or anything. There is just "the audio track" without any visual timeline representation.

    That's right, Sanderx - I think that kind of editing is standard with any video editor.  You need to be able to move all sorts of clips around wherever you want - audio, stills, video, on as many layers as you want- You're going to have fun, I don't think there's any doubt!  I love working in my vid program.
     
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    Sorry, I meant to say you CAN'T actually move it. There is just "the audio track" with no visual timeline representation at all. Videos seem to be only sequential too. So very basic. Still, it works.
     
    For those using Vegas, do you mean "Movie Studio" or something? Cause on their website;
    http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegassoftware
    The cheapest product with "Vegas" in the name is 400 bucks.
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 14:45:40 (permalink)
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    Sony Vegas makes entry level versions that are just as functional as the pro version except for track count.
    Under $100.
     


    Just as functional is somewhat of an exaggeration. For the OP's purpose probably but for others they fall very short in key areas.
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 14:48:42 (permalink)
    Sanderxpander...Sorry, I meant to say you CAN'T actually move it...



    Oh!  That doesn't sound any more functional than freebies - Hmm, maybe there's something in the manual that you're overlooking.  This doesn't sound right - unable to move clips--??
     
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 14:59:26 (permalink)
    OH _ It's just now sinking in - You didn't get a video editing program, you laid out some $ for QuickTime Pro, which gives you a few more functions to the free QuickTime player.  That's not what you need for what you're talking about - sorry.
     
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 15:04:16 (permalink)
    Actually it is exactly what I need, although it's a little clunky. All I need is to change out the audio and save it to a slightly more manageable format (i.e. not ".mov" and not 4GB for 3 minutes). I had thought I could do this with Sonar but it won't read the .mov file and generally the export quality doesn't seem very good.
     
    I can work this way, I'm just slightly disappointed in Sonar. I know its video functions are basic but I don't actually need to edit the video.
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 15:08:07 (permalink)
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    Actually it is exactly what I need, although it's a little clunky. All I need is to change out the audio and save it to a slightly more manageable format (i.e. not ".mov" and not 4GB for 3 minutes). I had thought I could do this with Sonar but it won't read the .mov file and generally the export quality doesn't seem very good.
     
    I can work this way, I'm just slightly disappointed in Sonar. I know its video functions are basic but I don't actually need to edit the video.


    Well good, if you're getting done what you need to get done, then great. 
     
    This whole thing of exporting a video from Sonar - like I said earlier, that's a new one on me.  Only video programs can edit video, there isn't an audio related program like Sonar that can let you slice up and edit video - so, no need to be disappointed on that count. 
     
    The way most people are using Sonar in connection with video is to import a working copy of a vid for purposes of scoring - then the actual work of editing video and marrying it to a soundtrack is done in a program meant for that kind of work.  Sonar doesn't touch the actual video footage.
     
    Best wishes on your project.
     
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 15:22:47 (permalink)
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    Instructions on how to replace it, yes. You can actually move it or anything. There is just "the audio track" without any visual timeline representation.

    That's right, Sanderx - I think that kind of editing is standard with any video editor.  You need to be able to move all sorts of clips around wherever you want - audio, stills, video, on as many layers as you want- You're going to have fun, I don't think there's any doubt!  I love working in my vid program.
     
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    Sorry, I meant to say you CAN'T actually move it. There is just "the audio track" with no visual timeline representation at all. Videos seem to be only sequential too. So very basic. Still, it works.
     
    For those using Vegas, do you mean "Movie Studio" or something? Cause on their website;
    http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegassoftware
    The cheapest product with "Vegas" in the name is 400 bucks.


    That is inaccurate. Even the most base versions give you timeline. Jusyvdownload theb demo and thay will clear up that mosconception
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 16:00:38 (permalink)
    I am working with Quicktime Pro now, Dub, not Vegas. RBowser was confused there.
     
    And RBowser, again, I DON'T NEED TO SLICE AND EDIT VIDEO. I just need to modify the audio and export the video. This is not working very well. I believe many pro audio suites do offer this and in fact, so does Sonar. It just doesn't do it very well. Hence my disappointment.
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 16:04:59 (permalink)
    SanderxpanderAnd RBowser, again, I DON'T NEED TO SLICE AND EDIT VIDEO. I just need to modify the audio and export the video. This is not working very well. I believe many pro audio suites do offer this and in fact, so does Sonar. It just doesn't do it very well. Hence my disappointment.



    lol--I KNOW YOU DON'T NEED TO SLICE AND EDIT VIDEO, Sanderx - (mirroring your caps) - that's why I said it's great you found something to do what you need, which is just to swap out the audio.  But what I was also saying is that audio programs, DAW software, NEVER have the ability to slice and dice/edit video.  That's why there's no need to be disappointed in Sonar.  It does exactly what all other DAW programs do - gives the user a way to score to video.  To edit video, one needs an actual video editing program.--
     
    I'm wishing you the best - now quit yelling at me!  lol.
     
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 16:29:24 (permalink)
    Sander. Thanks for the explanation. Codec vs container causes lots of confusion. All MOV files are not the same. The safest option is to use a converter to change files to format the program likes. Sonar reads most common codecs well now compared to previous versions. I suspect some Mac-centric codecs like ProRes may fail since most windows programs struggle with it.
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    Re: Video question 2014/06/13 16:42:09 (permalink)
    Thank you, yes that is something I know but don't always actively think of.
    I do have a video converter (Roxio Easy Video Copy & Convert) but it has terrible quality no matter what settings I use. Quicktime Pro only seems to take a few formats but so far conversion quality has been good. Mpeg-4 is fine for my uses, and it reads the MOV file that Sonar won't.
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