Flashart
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X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
Hi, I'm a home guitarist that enjoys writing arrangements etc. I've used Home Studio 7xl for a while, but am at a point where I can upgrade. But I don't know which version to get. I write midi onto score rather than using a keyboard, and I'd like a good range of tools to do it. I record guitar/ vocals at home but it's probably only going to be for home use. Although I can afford the Producer version, I'd rather not spend money on a bunch of stuff that won't get used. Is there anything in Producer that "I cannot live without?" VST's etc? My other gear is a Quad-Capture and SM58.
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dubdisciple
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 13:44:53
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If what you have is meeting your needs, you can "live without" either version. Anything beyond basics is typically more want than need. With that said, I think Producer is worth the want. As a vocalist, melodyne will be of great benefit. Yes the eq in studio is functional and good but the version in producer is much more useful. If money is not the issue, it is a no brainer imho.
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Beepster
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 13:49:27
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Studio is pretty much the same program as Producer. Producer just comes with a few extra and it's impossible to tell what exactly you'll need without more detail so here is the comparison chart... http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR You'll see it is mostly just some extra instrument and effects but really many of them are quite useful and nice sounding. From there you can make a more educated decision but if you have questions abotu specific elements ask away. Many of use have been using it for a while now so have some insights. Do expect a massive change from what you own currently though. There will be a learning curve but it is worth it IMO. Cheers.
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Flashart
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 15:36:28
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Thanks for the quick responses. What 4 virtual instruments are in Producer and not in Studio? Are the XLN Drums a must have compared to Session? And finally, I'm a pretty awful vocalist, I'm not epecting Melodyne to make me sing like a nightingale, but is it that good?
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 15:55:24
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 15:57:43
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If you plan on using you're own vocals, it would be worth it for the Melodyne. Not sure about AD, as I don't use it. But quite a few people here seem to like it.
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 16:01:24
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I think the session drums will work and if you feel they are lacking down the line, you can upgrade or get a 3rd party software, like Toontrack EZDrummer. Melodyne is an excellent pitch correction/altering tool, but unless you become comfortable with the program, I think you'll spend more time "tweaking" and you could just do another take, punch in, comp vocals, or whatever... in much less time. You can also get *creative* with Melodyne, but that's another avenue. The other instruments shouldn't be deal breakers if you don't have them either. However, the producer edition is a great value with the extras, but that's also why Cake probably has their products tier'd out in this manner. I just jumped from 7PE to X3...have a decent amount of experience, but have a bit to go to feel *at home* totally with the new X3. It's a massive, incredible program, as are their lesser costing ones. Plan on learning for a bit, but when you're comfortable, your final results will really reflect that. My opinion is that it's really the $ at this point that will probably dictate what you might get. You'll be buying stuff now for the producer edition that you may not use immediately, but by the end of summer, you'd probably be glad you had them. If you're a total newbie, I wouldn't waste the extra $ on the more expensive program at this point. Upgrade when Cake puts out a new release... X4 or whatever.
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 16:33:57
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The biggest problem I had with Session Drummer was a lack of velocity layers for the nuances I like (but for most basic-semi complex drum stuff it's fine) and the fact it didn't seem to play nice with my pad based controller. However those problems were quickly remedied by purchasing the Andy John's kit for Session Drummer and there are a plethora of kits available for it produced by an excellent company called Platinum Samples. Addictive Drums is a REALLY excellent program though and comes with much better kits that the base version of Session Drummer does. It also has more functionality within its internal mixer than SD does but if you know how to mix drums well already then you could technically accomplish all you need to with Session Drummer and just mixing the individual tracks normally in Sonar. So... Session Drummer is definitely useable if you aren't going for some really intricate/hyper realistic stuff or are willing to buy some expansion packs for it but even Session Drummer at its best with expansion packs isn't as good as the base version of Addictive Drums in my opinion. You could of course always purchase Studio and see how it floats you proverbial boat then upgrade to Producer if you feel you need/want more. I'm not sure if it would cost you any extra that way though so maybe someone else could chime in. Cheers.
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 16:50:21
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As the others said, Producer mainly comes with a bunch of extra instruments and fx. As a bundle, they're quite good value, but if you're not in a position where you'll use many or most of them (yet) there's no need to spring for them now. Apart from a few of the ProChannel modules (and the QuadCurve EQ Flyout), you could buy what you need from third party developers as well, and build your own collection to taste. You may end up doing that anyway even if you get Producer. I would rather spend 150 extra bucks on the Melodyne upgrade than on the other features in Producer, but I already have some third party stuff I prefer to the Sonar offerings.
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Flashart
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 17:02:40
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Is Melodyne the same in both? And would Studio give me enough to produce a small orchestra of instruments? I feel I need to give you a bit more info, I'm also getting a laptop to run it. If I get Studio, I put more cash to the laptop and vice versa.
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 17:12:22
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Melodyne is the same in both - the "Essential" version. A common upgrade (and one offered by Celemony upon your Sonar purchase) is the $150 to "Editor", which has a few significant feature advances (such as timing editing, vibrato editing, note transitions, etc). Good point about the laptop. It's probably a good idea to invest in better hardware and get smaller software upgrades as you run into limits, considering it's relatively hard to upgrade laptop hardware.
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 17:15:07
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IMO Producer is and always has been easily worth the extra. Melodyne is the same in both and either way requires the upgrade to Editor as Essential is pretty basic. AD blows SD away.
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 17:18:59
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I agree but the question is if you really need all the extras it offers right away. I got like 30 BlueTubes plugs that I have hardly touched. I like BReverb but one could easily substitute Valhallaroom for 50 bucks. Many people prefer EZDrummer or another drum plug over Addictive Drums. Producer is good value but the individual parts that make it up are replaceable by choice alternatives, that can be bought when needed and won't be locked to Sonar (like the BTs are).
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 17:31:01
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Flashart Is Melodyne the same in both? And would Studio give me enough to produce a small orchestra of instruments? I feel I need to give you a bit more info, I'm also getting a laptop to run it. If I get Studio, I put more cash to the laptop and vice versa.
Is the laptop going to have an SSD drive? If not and it is a solid state drive then I would recommend planning to put some money aside for at least a 7200RPM drive that does NOT have the word "Green" or some such nonsense in the title. You want a good, stable, FAST C drive. Many laptops come preloaded with energy efficient drives and/or lower speed drives that will have serious impact on your work. Really if the CPU is above the recommended specs and the laptop has 8GB of RAM then that is more than enough to run Sonar reliably. The problems will come in with a slow drive that is designed to fall asleep despite your Windows power management settings. So yeah... no need to go too crazy on the laptop as long as it has good, recommended hardware and you make sure you do a clean Windows install (to get rid of bloatware and wonky factory configuration stuff) and do a bit of tweaking to make sure it's not gonna have things like ports, drives or the entire system falling asleep. You might just save yourself significant money that way which could be better spent on a good interface (which you already have so never mind)), external drives for storage and streaming samples, a good internal drive if the included one is insufficient for audio AND getting to enjoy the benefits of Producer. You would probably be able to make a much more informed and cost effective decision about this if you start a thread asking about laptops in your price range that will run Sonar. You could save literally hundreds of dollars and end up with a better system than you would have otherwise. Cheers. edit: You may however already be aware of all that already. If so my apologies but as a completely cheap bastard myself it pains me seeing people spending money unnecessarily. I've priced laptops that would be very capable of handling Sonar after some TLC for $500-600 and others that could give my tower a run for its money for a couple hundred more. I could probably force my three year old $260 Acer to even run X3 in a limited capacity.
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Paul P
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/14 22:09:14
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Beepster I've priced laptops that would be very capable of handling Sonar after some TLC for $500-600 and others that could give my tower a run for its money for a couple hundred more. I could probably force my three year old $260 Acer to even run X3 in a limited capacity.
Laptops have tiny screens. If that isn't bad enough, they're slow and very limited disc/ssd-wise. Being able to run X3 is not the same thing as running it in a way that you can enjoy. I use my 14" laptop when I'm away from home and it's really painful compared to my floortop and 30" monitor. Still, it's way better than nothing !
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/15 01:14:34
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I chose Studio over Producer because I saw nothing that was going to improve what I do with Sonar. We each work differently and we each will use certain tools to get the job done. Studio is exactly the same in all regards as far as it's workings and features go. As said, Producer gives you a good pile of extra efxs and soft synths and if you want these then it's worth the extra $150?? (depending on the deal of the week) . It's a no brainier. Look at the list. Decide if you really need them. You can always upgrade later anyhow. Myself I'm more than happy with what I have and don't use 1/4 of that. I have still haven't had to activate Melodyne. I prefer to sing in key. And I will add that unless your planning on doing remote recording, don't buy a laptop for a DAW. Laptops are obsolete and not a very good value for your money.
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/15 23:16:22
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I suppose some might argue that towers are obsolete, but I finally moved X3 Studio from my laptop(it was all I had for a while) to a newer 64 bit tower. It is soooo much better. The laptop HD was too slow, a not uncommon issue. Flash, either way, you will like the flexibility and control you have in X3. It will take some getting used to, so be prepared for that and read the help files. I did not like the SHS7 interface at all. It was intended to make things easier for the novice, which I guess it did, but it was ever so cumbersome if you wanted to stretch your boundaries. For me, X3 Studio is more than enough, but I already owned the full versions of Rapture and DimPro, as well as numerous third party plug-ins. As noted, the core X3 program is the same in all three versions. The difference is in the extras.
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/16 00:22:44
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There's actually a few parts of Plain X3 missing that are sort of critical to me. Audio Snap for one. No Pro Channel No SPMTE / MTC support. No Surround mixing ( not for me but lots of people use this. ) Then the instruments your missing some very useful synths, a long list. And then a whole lot of Efxs are excluded. Most important to me was LE 64's Studio has most of the best stuff so was way more bang for the buck than plain X3. I see scook already posted this link but it's required reading if your going to compare versions. http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions
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Re: X3 Studio VS X3 Producer?
2014/06/16 09:03:01
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I can only speak personally. Producer is definitely worth the extra to me, as I have felt far less need to invest in third party products since upgrading. Apart from all the instruments, I would miss the two PC compressors that come with Producer - the PC76 and the PC4K Bus. I use them all the time. IMO Addictive Drums is far better for most needs than Session Drummer, even though I don't use it much - I already had Toontrack stuff. If I hadn't already got the Toontrack stuff, I would probably have been happy with addictive Drums, and stuck with it. So, I think the extra for Producer is a great deal, but only if your hardware is up to it, as others have mentioned. Spending money on upgrading an underpowered computer is the only reason I would see to buy the Studio version. Even then, I would try to save a bit more cash and upgrade my computer AND get X3 Producer, if at all possible. Let us know what you decide, and come back with any questions. I upgraded to X1 from Sonar 6, and would have been lost (and bald) without the help of this forum, and Scott's "Sonar Power" books. Another great book is "The Power in Cakewalk Sonar" by William Edstrom (It is about X2, but still covers most of the workflow in X3, and comes with a DVD). Good luck.
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