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2014/06/23 02:32:58 (permalink)

share your experience

hi,
im trying to get started on my own home "studio" , and im thinking about spending a 1 grand on equipment.
the thing is that im really scared to buy all this stuff (and possibly more if I continue on this musical path) that
I will have spent a grand and come to find out that im not good enough to make music, but at the same time thinking
about creating music sounds really fun. its a dream of mine to create music, but I've always been scared to find out if im
able to. and im 24 years old....kind of a late start im guessing.
where you scared to start out your musical journey?
where you scared to spend a lot of money?
share your story with me.
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    Karyn
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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 05:24:18 (permalink)
    If you're just starting out and you want to get serious about creating music..
     
    Step 1.  Choose an instrument.
    Step 2.  Buy one
    Step 3.  Learn to play it.
    Step 4.  Learn to play it well...
     
    You are now creating music.
     
    Making music is all about the playing, not the recording.  There are plenty of free recording programs and dirt cheep audio interfaces to get you started without laying out thousands in gear you might not even need.
     
    Programs like Sonar will give you all the tools the professionals use to create chart topping mega-hits except the musicians...
     
     

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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 05:30:16 (permalink)
    I think it would be better if you tell us if you play any musical instrument first and what it is.
     

     
     
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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 05:32:54 (permalink)
    ... thinking about creating music sounds really fun. its a dream of mine to create music, but I've always been scared to find out if im able to. and im 24 years old....kind of a late start im guessing.

     
    To me that says he/she does not play an instrument.

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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 07:17:41 (permalink)
    It's never late to make music. Have fun with it!
     
    If your budget makes you anxious, cut it in half. There are awesome musicians with children's instruments.
     
    I used recording to measure progress. As you learn songs and forget them, it can be hard to tell if you are progressing or just playing another song just as badly as you played the last one. :-)
     
    So making recordings with Sonar or some other tool as you go is a nice way to keep the memories.

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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 07:53:51 (permalink)
    Nope....it's never too late to start.   I started playing when I was about 7 with piano lessons. Got a guitar at 14 and jammed in some garage bands through highschool. Stopped for a few years when I was in the military. After getting out, I picked it up again and joined my first working band in my mid 20's.
     
    The first question is, do you play now or just considering it? 
     
    If you don't play, then yeah, go spend a grand and get a decent instrument. Don't buy a cheap beginner instrument. Buy something a pro would use.  A few reasons.... they hold value better in case you decide a year from now it's really not your cup of tea.... and they are easier to play because they are quality instruments.
     
    If you already play and you're talking about recording.... yeah... a grand gets you in the game nicely.  $300 for a set of studio monitors, $200 for an audio interface, $200 for a condenser mic, $50 for Cakewalk Music Creator... and $250 left over for incidentals and other things. The costs above may vary a bit.... but you can set up a quick and fairly decent home studio for that budget. It's a hobby for most folks, and with the internet and advances in computers and software, you can collaborate with folks on the other side of the planet as easily as the guy next door.
     
    I work out of the corner of a room. Certainly not a very "professional" set up..... but I can create and write music and then record those songs, so to me, that's all that matters. Click my link below  and listen to some of the stuff I create in this corner of the room.
     
    So that's how I got started. It's a very enjoyable pastime and has it's own rewards.
     

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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 07:54:03 (permalink)
    duplicate post

    My website & music: www.herbhartley.com

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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 08:56:37 (permalink)
    Thanks for the reply guys! And yes I play guitar, have been for 6 yrs and play piano on and off. Can also read some music notation.
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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 09:14:44 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    I have a different take on it, and no, I do not play an instrument "regularly", and I do not "know" music as well as I would like, though I intend on taking that on as soon as I retire or slow down my work rate.
     
    However, there are some things in the "creating a studio" that are impossible and downright bad, and ridiculous and not everyone has the patience to learn it and care for it. You ready?
     
    Of all the programs I have ever bought (Ableton, MC4, Miroslav, Jupiter 8V), and a 61-key Midi keyboard and 2 nice computers, and all that (they were my gaming computers before), it all works and such, but getting help is impossible and at that point even a duck around here was not interested in $100 bux!
     
    It tells you, that most of these musicians are not geeks, and they only know how to work one program and use one utility to get their part out and that's it. It also tells you that they do not want "competition" in the field, even when it would be so far out past Pluto that they could not possibly compete! It also tells you that some of them will say that I'm mean and rude, but the invitation (I'm a visual person! Important factor in it all!!!!!) has never been accepted.
     
    The technical support for all 4 of those companies is the worst scum ever. I still can not use Miroslav and two folks in this BOARD, that list the program in their "knowledge" are not interested in helping. I think that a lot of it has to do with folks not really knowing Midi and the connectivity of things well enough, and I'm OK with that, but at least say it, don't hide it!
     
    But show it to you? Get lost!
     
    Although I am not a musician, I am probably one of the few folks that has heard and appreciated more music the world over than you can shake your finger at. My wanting to play music is the same thing as my wanting to write a poem (over 400 of them), writing another foreign film review (over 500 of them), and another short story (6 of them), or novel (on my 4th!) ... the difference being that in all of my work I can hear music in it, and I'm merely reaching for a star in the hope of getting closer to it. But these folks will NEVER EVER be able to take away that inner music and shine I have, even if it translates differently for them!
     
    Remember that!
     
    It ain't gonna happen with minions that are not interested in helping you blast off out of this world! I feel like "the man who fell to earth" already!
    post edited by Moshkiae - 2014/06/23 09:16:03

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 09:48:01 (permalink)
    Hi,
    I tried to help Pedro (Moshkiee or whatever his forum name is) for free.  we talked several times by email, but he could not get his system to work the way I was explaining to him.
     
    I have helped hundreds, nay probably thousands of people on these forums get their systems up and running, both on the forums and off.  Do not let anyone tell you that it's not possible to get help or that it's way too difficult to do.  If bapu can get it working, ANYONE CAN!!!
     
    so for $1000, you will be able to come up with a really good start on a studio.  much better than MOST people on these forums started with. 
     
    the most important part of the puzzle is the audio interface/soundcard whatever you want to call it.  it's the same thing.  you want a quality soundcard designed for recording with inputs and outputs on it for your growth.  look to spend between $200 and $500 on the soundcard.  get specific advice on the soundcard from folks in this forum BEFORE you purchase!  do NOT purchase something from Best Buy, Walmart, Frys or any consumer retail operation.  your soundcard will come from Guitar Center, Sam Ash, or better yet, online from Musicians Friend, Sweetwater, Music123 or other established online professional musicians' store.
     
    did I mention that you need to GET ADVICE on your specific needs from someone on the forums before purchase????  if not, I'll mention it again!  I have a website with some recommendations of soundcards.  it's outdated and I need to update it, but some of them on the list is still valid.  Me, Herb, Bapu, many others will be glad to assist you in finding the right soundcard for your needs and growth.
     
    the next investment I'd make would be speakers and/or headphones.  I do not believe that headphones should be the only source for mixing.  there are some who disagree with me, but not the majority.  decent near field monitors are NOT cheap.  they start at around $200 EACH, but you might be able to find some cheaper ones for beginners.
     
    again - DO NOT buy these without advice and DO NOT buy them from a consumer store!!!  near field monitors are specific to mixing/producing music and will not be found at Best Buy or Frys.
     
    after that you'll probably want a decent microphone.  microphones range from $50 to $10k or more.  you can get a decent beginning mic for $100 to $200.  are you going to be recording ACOUSTIC guitar?  you'll need a small diameter diaphram condensor mic and maybe a large diameter as well.  will you be recording cabs?  you might need a dynamic mic for that.  will you be recording vocals?  a large diameter condensor for that.
     
    Of course you'll also need recording software if you don't already have it.  I recommend either Music Creator 6 (which is like only $40 or so) or if you have the money, I'd recommend starting out with Sonar Studio X2, then upgrading to Producer eventually.
     
     
    all of these things are on my website (see my signature) with recommendations.  again, it needs to be updated because there are new products out not on my list and there are some products on my list which are now obsolete, but the list is still a good starting point.  look at those, then ask questions!  I'll be glad to help more!

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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 09:54:12 (permalink)
    People tend to wander their own path, but here are some suggestions that might help.
     
    1. Figure out what you want to do. Are you recording just to see what you can do? Are you recording song ideas to help you write? Are you hoping to get rich/famous? Are you hoping to release a CD and perhaps (eventually) sell a few copies? Your end goal may impact your decisions.
    2. Research. Hey, that's what you're doing here, right? As a general rule, vague questions tend to produce non-specific answers. As you dig in, ask detailed questions and you'll get some very helpful answers. There's a vast wealth of information available. The sheer volume of data can be overwhelming, so start with the basic concepts and go from there.
    3. Think process flow. You make noise. You want that noise to live in your computer. You need a few basic components to trick it into entering the trap. Once you have it in there, you want to poke it with a stick. There are all kinds of things you can do with it. In fact, the number of tricks you can teach your noise to perform is staggering. Keep things simple at first. When you've finished playing with it, you create some type of output.
    4. Don't just think about cost. Think about value. Some free software can have immense value, if it helps you create your sound. There are many software products that bundle various types of products and solutions into one package as one way to increase their value, such as Sonar. Some very expensive hardware/software may provide little (if any) value in the long run. Yes, we've all been there and Bapu's printed our T-shirts.
    5. Remember to keep your options open. Try to avoid spending money on gear you'll probably outgrow in a short time. There's a lot more gear in the world you could buy. Unless you're Nigerian royalty, you probably won't be able to buy it all. Think about taking things in stages. Your mileage may vary, but some start with an existing PC, a professional audio interface, and DAW software. Add some quality reference monitors, acoustic treatments, mics, and assorted outboard gear and you're well on your way.
    6. When your mind explodes, go back to number 1 and remind yourself why you're doing this. Reorientation can also help you correct your course and avoid GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome).
    7. If you have a family, remember that they're worth more than the gear, and don't spend all of your time in your studio. If you don't have one, well, just remember to come out every now and then to forage for food.
    8. Don't listen to Bubba. There are smart people here, too. I'm not sure who they are, but I've heard they're around here somewhere. You should listen to them.
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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 09:56:33 (permalink)
    I originally had a lite version of another DAW.  I took a class at the local community college.  While it was geared towards DAWs in general, they used Sonar 6 as their default.  I liked it better than the original DAW.  I would recommend looking for a class that's local to you.  Video tutorials can help too.  They--and the helpful advice you receive here--can help you decide what equipment to get.  Good luck.  

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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 10:55:15 (permalink)
    Beagle
    Hi,
    I tried to help Pedro (Moshkiee or whatever his forum name is) for free.  we talked several times by email, but he could not get his system to work the way I was explaining to him.
    ... 


    It was not directed at you Mr. Beagles!
     
    I am redoing one of the computers before I talk to you some more, and describing what I got going. Had to redo it, so even I would not be confused with the wiring!

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 10:58:25 (permalink)
    Ok Pedro, maybe you can get it up and running then!  I would love to hear some of your work when you do!

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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 11:27:24 (permalink)
    Beagle
    Ok Pedro, maybe you can get it up and running then!  I would love to hear some of your work when you do!



    I have some music shows, radio style, where I also do my own poetry over many things. But it's missing that "third dimention" as I like to call it, and that means a movie background, or something weird adding to the mix that makes it even more off the wall.  In the past some of this has been some of my own words and readings, but if I'm doing something on "top" then I need more in the bottom ... you know how it is ... the music has to be "thicker", "deeper" and more "expressive"!
     
    Thx
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    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 11:52:30 (permalink)
    If you're starting on the path to making music in your computer, stay away from THIS.
     
    Once you've been making music for a few years and you're burned out or need a break go there then (it will still be alive, to be sure).
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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 13:12:05 (permalink)
    Well, then you play an instrument. You may want to meet some people around your own age and perhaps play in a band. If you think that you want to try and make money at music nowadays, then be prepared to be shocked perhaps.
    It will take social agendas, getting the word out, and yes, around 24 hrs. a day and it still may not happen. Thus people playing in bands but even with that, they do not want to pay much if anything much nowadays. And traveling around may not cut it. So yes, a studio is easier, if you have decent place to do it. You can do it (unlike perhaps some people say) all electronically nowdays (they will dispute that you need a mic on a guitar amp to make it sound right to them). I say, the DAW (digital audio workstation) program can do some of that, but you still may need more hardware then just the basic mentioned. Like a few other people, I started out very young and then learned guitar later. But like everything in life, you probably will have to work a job at something else and try to do it in your spare time. It is work afterall no matter if you try and enjoy it or not, it is still practice, practice, practice, and work or editing in the DAW, editing in the DAW, and but it is something to do, unless you get the idea to actually go out and talk to people around at a store perhaps your own age, if they talk at all, if the world is still around and not blown down, whatever.
    If you do not really have the money and just want to buy something, perhaps since you are young, you could buy some mutual funds or something like that (stock) and invest the money and not have any so-called fun with music, but in a few years, be richer, because with music, you may spend, spend, spend money and there is probably not going to be very much return if any at all.
     
    So, in the end, you may want to just be a Comedian appear on the stage and tell them all of this stuff, and they will probably laugh their heads off, and you will make more money that way by being the next Seinfeld or Jim Parsons (The Big Bang Theory) in the end.
     

     
     
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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 13:30:53 (permalink)
    And the Blues Fest will be around here (July Fourth) and I am struggling to once again try and take my cheap camera and record some only to have people do funny things (after a few beers) in front of the camera or someone else to ask if they can have a video for their own purposes while other people talk close to you and all of it is picked up by a not so good camera that makes videos also (since I do not want to spend a thousand on a better cam-corder or even 500 on it) and wonder why I am standing there in the heat having people complain perhaps and all of that. Probably stay home afterall I like quiet and this forum makes enough noise most of the time (but not in Songs) to hear it clearly.
    Well back to the food store, because something tells me that I should eat, but then they say to fast for three days and eat little if anything except water, and that will rejuvenate your immune system and whatever, but somehow I just can not quite get around to doing that as of yet.
     

     
     
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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 13:41:12 (permalink)
    Except for the singing which around me has to be done around 1:30 - 3:30, 4AM when it is quieter out in the environment of the people on this Planet like the one semi-truck driver that purposely backs off his tailpipes in the middle of the early morning night to wake up the neighborhood, as well as traffic from shifts at John Deere and anything else like airplanes taking off at 4-5 AM in the morning, even birds chirping so loud that a person thinks about buying a shotgun and hunting out in a field somewhere and forgetting anything else like cougars running around, or perhaps a mountain lion, perhaps a bear coming around of the environment on this Planet.
    :D
    Smileys don't seem to work on this forum either very good.
    Oh, there they are.
    Well, gotta go and find a forum that works. Check back later this Summer I guess for here. Must be Vacation Time.
     

     
     
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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 14:00:42 (permalink)
    This is the very best time to learn to make music. The tools available are astounding. You have youtube and the internet for any question. You have forums for whatever DAW, if any, you decide to use. 
     
    I was never scared but excited and anxious to get started. I was 19 when I started. Jimi gave me the passion for it.
     
    Spend some time thinking about and researching what and where you want to go with it. As much time as it takes to be sure how you want to spend your money.
    I have ;
    PC- Dell 64 bit Quad for speed and no other software except essentials 
    audio interface
    Midi keyboard
    Mics, guitars, and bass
    Sonar X-3 Producer
     
     
     
    I started with Guitar Tracks Pro upgraded and now have Sonar X-3. I would suggest getting Sonar Studio. It's a wonderful tool to learn about music and your instrument. I've been recording since 09' I think. I have chronic amnesia and those kind of things elude me. I have collaborated with several here due to my whimpering about not playing with anyone plus their pity and or wanting me to shut up. You can posts songs/recordings for advice and there are some incredible players here that will give free and very helpful guidance. 
    Here's shamelessly some tunes I've posted on Soundcloud. I apologize in advance for bringing it up
     

    SWAMP MUSIC
    Sonar PLATINUM        
    Studio Cat DAW
     
     
          
      
     
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    Re: share your experience 2014/06/23 18:40:09 (permalink)
    you are so lucky to have these forums and in hindsight it all makes sense:
     
    "I have helped hundreds, nay probably thousands of people on these forums get their systems up and running, both on the forums and off.  Do not let anyone tell you that it's not possible to get help or that it's way too difficult to do."
     
    +1 - the beagle got me over a major hump and I haven`t looked back.
    cheers
    tony
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