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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 09:40:50
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Wow. Seems like nobody has ever developed anything worthwhile for a Windows based PC.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 09:59:23
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Mac has always been the defacto standard platform for Computer based Audio programs...
Windows has always been secondary...even though it has a broader user base...
Most studios run Apple machines...not PC's...as Mac was always somewhat "more stable" then the PC platform...
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 10:07:16
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This I know - but when Cakewalk gets completely omitted (it was a leader in midi before home PC's could do audio worth a darn) one may have to wonder . . . . . . . Brian
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 10:15:16
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☄ Helpfulby bluzdog 2014/06/24 10:55:39
Just read it. It seemed like a real good analysis.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 11:51:21
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Leaving out ACID but putting in the Playstation Music application seems like an odd choice.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 12:59:10
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mumpcake Leaving out ACID but putting in the Playstation Music application seems like an odd choice.
Good call. I'd forgotten what Acid did for loop based production. Maybe it's because it was available for Windows! : ) Brian
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 13:26:21
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Stone House Studios Wow. Seems like nobody has ever developed anything worthwhile for a Windows based PC.
Many of the programs listed are for windows.Even Logic was dual platform until Apple bought the company.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 13:48:27
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I haven't used any of those choices.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 14:04:28
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I'm sure this article was previously posted here and the same omissions were noted. To me including Logic, PT and Cubase is somewhat redundant. At the least Logic should fall off the list. The redundancy is part of the reason it does not bother me that Sonar is not listed. It puzzles me more that Acid, Gigastudio ( or Kontakt) Sound Forge or Recycle were included. Loop based production required a lot of manual calculation prior to Acid. It introduced features now standard in all DAWs.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 14:38:01
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Good call on Giga/Kontakt. I can't imagine my studio without some type of software sampler and I don't imagine anyone else goes without one either these days. It's hard to believe they left that out. I also think Recycle should have been included, although maybe they lumped it in with Reason. Nearly every sample library offered these days notes acid or REX compatibility, and nearly every DAW advertises compatibility with those formats. Surely those two have had more of an impact than, say, Garageband.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 14:50:54
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Considering Garageband is an extremly stripped down Logic variation, that may be the most laughable choice. IMHO the main criteria for such a list would be pioneering products, innovation and game changing impact. Garageband is a good program but is more result of combining features of other programs into an easy to use program. In other words, evolved Acid for Mac in a prettier package and better preset loops.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 14:55:48
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Rain will be choking on his Harvey Wallbanger if he hears you writing off Logic.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 14:57:34
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dubdisciple I'm sure this article was previously posted here and the same omissions were noted. To me including Logic, PT and Cubase is somewhat redundant. At the least Logic should fall off the list. The redundancy is part of the reason it does not bother me that Sonar is not listed. It puzzles me more that Acid, Gigastudio ( or Kontakt) Sound Forge or Recycle were included. Loop based production required a lot of manual calculation prior to Acid. It introduced features now standard in all DAWs.
Exactly. Acid and Giga were the reason Mac users started adding PC to their studio rig. What this tells us is that they must have done something quite unique and, thus, deserve to be on that list. And, I've said it before, even as a die hard fan of Logic, I don't feel it needs to be on that list, due to redundancy. ( So, there, Mr. StrickinglyHandsome. ;) ) Same for Digital Performer or Pro Audio and the rest. Ultimately, Steinberg set the standard with Cubase. The alternatives may surpass it, but Cubase is the original. I do however feel that Pro Tools has its place since, unlike other sequencers which were often the thing of musicians, Pro Tools became the audio engineer tool and the studio standard and also offered hardware based DSP, which allowed for things which were unavailable elsewhere for years, like monitoring through plugs).
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 15:04:42
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That's the drink talking.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 15:44:08
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See..you underestimated Rain. Logic is awesome. I use it. Just redundant to include it
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 15:45:57
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I agree..pro tools gets a place because of its position and being the software at the center of studios going from analog to digital.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 16:48:01
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2014/06/24 16:43:12
cclarry ...as Mac was always somewhat "more stable" then the PC platform...
Mac are kept out with the horses???? I learn something new everyday.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 16:48:58
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bapu
cclarry ...as Mac was always somewhat "more stable" then the PC platform...
Mac are kept out with the horses???? I learn something new everyday.
YES...that's why it was the MANE system of choice!
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 16:49:18
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it's a UK article.. and I was in the trade at the time a lot of changes were happening e.g. logic being bought out by apple etc. cakewalk was more a midi sequencer back then, like everything else.. I remember using it on someones PC.. most people including pro studios i went were using an ST at the time, hooked up to samplers to 24 track tape etc. all the audio that most folk messed about with was via SMPTE (for say a vocal) or sampler like an akai 950/1000/3000 etc. it's a pity the ST didn't get a bigger look in, as it really did play a big roll (pun intentional) in dance music in the uk
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 16:53:15
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The piece does a nice job of reflecting the bias and ignorance of the author. Not saying that some of his choices weren't noteworthy - but "The 14 Pieces" feels like a History Channel documentary - light on facts, heavy on opinion.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 16:54:52
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Opinion is fact. This is the 21st Century.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 17:14:44
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Limiting the mention of digital audio systems to only those that were developed for Mac, Commodore Kernal/Basic, Amiga, Atari, NeXT, SGI UNIX, Linux, Windows x86, and Playstation operating systems does seem rather narrow minded, but it's hard not to admit that the mention of the 14 items listed was actually accompanied by a copious amount of facts.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 17:27:50
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Stating that opinions are facts makes them no less opinions.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 17:29:44
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dubdisciple Stating that opinions are facts makes them no less opinions.
That's a fact.... Jack. Oh wait, is that an opinion? It's so hard to tell these days.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 17:32:56
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I'd have no complaints if he'd just left off the leading "The" from the title, leaving it as just "14 Pieces of Software that Changed Modern Music". It's titled as though he's presenting a "Top N" list, rather than the very personal perspective that it is. Which was more influential, Cubase or the VST standard? How about the SFZ specification? MIDI over USB? The MP3 encoder? How about Facebook, YouTube and MySpace? Surely those have had a more profound impact than Max. Which software instrument do you hear the most on TV and in movies? Reaktor? Mmm, no. Try Kontakt. Any one of us would have created a different Top N list, based on our own personal history.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 17:39:03
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bitflipper Any one of us would have created a different Top N list, based on Bapu's VST/VSTi list.
Imagined.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 17:42:26
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Audio technology Magazine (Australia) ran a great article in Feb 2014 issue that talk about a similar concept except rather than just look at the software only they looked at techniques and technolgy a bit more. They called these things the Game Changers. This to me seems a little more relevent. Here are some of the things they suggested were real game changers. 24 bit digital recording (done right) DAW Development (in two directions though. Tape Machine mixer model and electronic instrument sequencer model) PT lead the way for a long time in the Tape machine/mixer model concepts) Ableton Live and Fruity Loops brought in a different crowd DSP powered plugins brought ITB mixing to life Mackie HUI interface Automation without any zipping Giga sampler with its non ram limited approach ie disc streaming Sample replacement Track comping Time and pitch manipulation DAW's that cost under $100 DAW wise it is silly to compare a whole lot of DAW's. PT really started the Tape Machine/Mixing model and Cubase/Logic probably started the instrument/sequencer model. (I was around then! Remember Steinberg VST technology etc) All other DAW's are simply developments of those basic two approaches so it pointless to compare them. I think what has happed now is that DAW's are blending the two approaches rather well now eg Sonar and many others etc... Of course these are more recent innovations, there were plenty of game changers before them too.
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Re: 14 Pieces of Software that shaped Modern Music
2014/06/24 19:33:26
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bitflipper I'd have no complaints if he'd just left off the leading "The" from the title, leaving it as just "14 Pieces of Software that Changed Modern Music". It's titled as though he's presenting a "Top N" list, rather than the very personal perspective that it is.
+1
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