Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use?

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Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use?

Hi software forum!
 
I know that a lot of you, like me, own gigs and gigs of drumplers and expansion packs. Do they all see serious use at some point or do you fall back on a trusted shortlist on every 'real' project?
 
Here's some of mine that haven't made it past the fooling around stage:
- BFD Eco: I depend on my Roland E-drums for creating tracks and I never could get the hihat to work correctly with Eco. I also remember not being impressed with the included samples, but the processing options were cool and in a different league from EZdrummer. Since then, Addictive Drums (and subsequently AD2) covers my in-drumpler radical processing needs, so I do not think I'll be installing Eco again...
- Rock! EZX: This EZX trades articulations and velocity layers for quantity of kit pieces. Because of this, the Rock! feels very unnatural and unsatisfying to play using E-drums, though the samples themselves are mostly pretty cool.
- Black Velvet ADpak: During my honeymoon with AD back when X3 was released I bought a number of ADpaks. The Black Velvet pack samples and presets sounded big and lush upon auditioning, but no matter how I tweak them they sound like 'live' (stage) drums to me rather than 'studio' drums. Maybe that's part of the appeal, but I can't seem to find a use for this sound.
 
Here's a couple that sound very promising, but I haven't found the right project for:
- Vintage Dry ADpak: I've been looking for something like this for ages! But once since getting it I haven't been able to find my Disco Mojo! Any day now...
- EZdrummer 2: Just haven't had the time to start many new project since I got EZD2, but the "Ringy Rock" preset is my current favorite for jamming. It exquisitely captures the kind of scooped, punchy drum sound that was in vogue back in the mid 90s when I first got into drums! Dunno if it's right for any of my actual music, though. 
 
 
Lastly:
I have to mention the new Fairfax Vol.1 ADpak! Though I haven't started any real projects with it yet, I've been going through old "unfinishables" and synth-replacing the drums with AD2/Fairfax. I just love it! The ride and hihat in particular are just the best thing in the world ever IMHO!
 
 
 
I'd love to hear about your experiences guys!
 
 
Sven





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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 12:42:49 (permalink)
    Steven Slate SSD4. It sounds great but some how I never use it in anger.

    I really need to continue my learning of BFD 3 as the potential is terrific. Most of the time I will use Superior Drummer, mainly with the metal foundary SDX. However Roots and Custom and vintage get a fair bit of use.

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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 12:50:43 (permalink)
    I use 'em all. Perhaps not as first call go-to drums, but for individual flavor and variety.
     
    That includes such ancient relics as Drumkit From Hell, which has some nice kick and crash cymbal samples. Even the TTS-1 receives regular assignments, usually for hand percussion. The free Big Mono drumkit for Kontakt lends its kick drum on occasion. Jamstix supplies shakers and tambourines.


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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 13:01:53 (permalink)
    i don't use the mixer or effects in superior drummer.
     
    i just output the raw drum tracks after i write them, and then mix them old school.
     

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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 13:32:38 (permalink)
    I picked up NI Komplete 9 a few months ago. I've messed around with the Studio Drummer kits (and Battery) to see what they're all about, but haven't used them on anything to date. BFD, BFD Eco and EZDrummer 2 are the usual suspects I use right now.  Oh...and Session Drummer 3 with the "Evil Drums" expansion pack. Nice kit once I spent a few hours dialing it in just the way I wanted it.
     
    BFD requires a lot of patience. (Eco as well) I'm a tweeker, so that's ok. Having full control of everything is great if you're willing to spend the time. I wasn't too sure about Eco at first, but with a lot of tweeking, (and there's a lot to tweek) it can sound great. Articulations on a few pieces are a little light, but depending on the song, it's not that big of a deal. Great deal for $25 though.
     
    With EZD2 you can now make hybrid kits, so that's a big plus. I don't have a lot EZX's, but I do like the Nashville kit.
     
    Snare articulations are the most important thing I think. Sometimes I'll incorporate a sampler into the kit. If the snare needs something - more crack or whatever, I'll whip up a group of velocity triggered samples for that snare with some added crack (or whatever) added in, then I'll point the drum map to trigger those sample sets instead. It's a way of getting more out of certain kit pieces that need a little something. A bit of work involved, but once it's done, it's always worthwhile.
     
    I have some Roland V-drums, but I use a keyboard for "live" drumming. Being a keyboard player, I'm a better finger drummer. It's fast 'n easy, plus it allows me to access way more sounds at once if I want lots of extra kit pieces. No issues with the hi-hat that way either, as I use quite a few different keys to trigger all the different hi-hat variations.
     
    So...ya, drums are a pain in the a**!, but with some time invested a lot of these virtual drum libraries can sound great.
     
     
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 13:56:10 (permalink)
    Glyn Barnes
    Steven Slate SSD4. It sounds great but some how I never use it in anger.



    I also find the standard SSD4 package less competitive than others, but I really like the CLA add pack, particularly the kicks and snares.  I use those a lot. 
     
    A lot of the NI / Abbey Road drumkits for Kontakt sound good on their own, but I have trouble getting them to fit in a mix.  Some of them (e.g. Vintage Drums) are good for certain situations, though.
     
    SD2 gets the most use here.  The Music City SDX is my favorite of the ones I have.
     
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 14:26:52 (permalink)
    Session Drummer is probably the least used of my plugins.  I think it helps that I resisted the urge to buy drum programs.  Finally broke down and got full version of Geist this year and that covers most of my electronic drum and sampling needs.
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 14:32:17 (permalink)
    Maybe it's because I have no EZXs, but EZ Drummer is the one I've used the least out of AD/AD2, BFD Eco and Session Drummer 3 just due to the kits themselves.   Like Bit I'll also occasionally pull odd pieces from TTS-1, or even the Roland Groove Synth.
     
    I really need to dig into K9s drums some more...
     

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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 14:32:24 (permalink)
    Least:
    Kontakt Drums such as Abbey Road Studio Drummer, Drumsomic, Analogue Drums, Sonic Reality Kits (even though I do like the sounds a lot)
    SSD 4 (again like the sounds, but have too many other choices)
    Drumcore 3 (Waiting on the update.)
    BFD Eco
     
    Most:
    BFD 3
    Superior Drummer
    EZD2 (I am digging the song building aspects of it)
     
    Moderate:
    Jamstix
    AD 2 (I like the new Fairfax aside from the crash cymbals)
     
     
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 14:36:36 (permalink)
    Like Bit, I use them all, even mixing toms from one and snares from another in the same song. The last song I did with drums used 3 sets stacked on top of each other. Since I don't own any real drums, nor would my wife let me play them if I did, I need all the variety I can get, lol.
     
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 14:45:30 (permalink)
    dubdisciple
    Session Drummer is probably the least used of my plugins. 

     
    Oh man, I forgot I even had that one.  When it was new to me, I took one listen, said "blech," and never tried it again. 
     
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 14:54:06 (permalink)
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    Session Drummer is probably the least used of my plugins. 

     
    Oh man, I forgot I even had that one.  When it was new to me, I took one listen, said "blech," and never tried it again. 
     
    Cheers,
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    I used it once as a scratchpad, realized even Session Drummer 3 in stereo mode would give me the same thing with more control options and never touched it again.  It doesn't sound awful.  There are just too many things bundled in X(3) that provide simple drum presets
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 15:04:51 (permalink)
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    Even the TTS-1 receives regular assignments, usually for hand percussion. 



    Hehe, I actually required castanets(!) for a project a while back and TTS-1 is the only GM/GS synth I have, so it got the job.





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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 15:09:25 (permalink)
    I remember getting the Music City SDX years ago and was blown away (I was pretty 'meh' about the Avatar vol. 1 kit). So I used it almost exclusively for a long while. But listening back to a lot of those tracks, the cymbals sound a little thin and "disconnected" from the rest of the drum track, so I think I'm gonna bench it for a while!
     





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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 15:17:07 (permalink)
    Basically everything that is not BFD3. BFD3 > all.
     
    Seriously, since getting it I have had little interest in my other kits.
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 15:21:23 (permalink)
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    Steven Slate SSD4. 



    It does sound great, but I hated using it.  Didn't even install it on my new machine.
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 15:24:34 (permalink)
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    Steven Slate SSD4. It sounds great but some how I never use it in anger.



    I also find the standard SSD4 package less competitive than others, but I really like the CLA add pack, particularly the kicks and snares.  I use those a lot. 
     
    A lot of the NI / Abbey Road drumkits for Kontakt sound good on their own, but I have trouble getting them to fit in a mix.  Some of them (e.g. Vintage Drums) are good for certain situations, though.
     
    SD2 gets the most use here.  The Music City SDX is my favorite of the ones I have.
     
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    SSD 4. I thought I hated using Kontakt for drums and was looking forward to Slate's own player... The very few times where I find myself using Slate samples - to beef up existing drum tracks - I use the old version of them in Kontakt.
     
    The NI stuff sat on my HD for over a year because I didn't seem to think much of it. But in recent months, the Abbey Road  drums have become my go to.
     
    For the longest time, I hated my mixes and they all seemed to have the same flaws, the same weird hollowness which I couldn't exactly explain. After a first rough mix using BFD Eco and the Rock Legend kit instead of EZ/Superior, I was flabbergasted - it was almost as if the song mixed itself.
     
    The Abbey Road stuff brought that to the next level - as if my music and those drum sounds just belong together.
     
    My perfect solution would be to be able to use NI drums from within EZ or SD, which I absolutely love as songwriting tools.
     
    I own AD too but didn't get to play with it all that much.
     
     

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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 18:49:40 (permalink)
    As many of you know, I own quite a few drumplers.
     
    Honestly, I've yet to use Jamstix. In concept it seems fantastic but I've had a few false starts and cannot entirely wrap my head around the implementation.
     
    I've use BFD2 just a little. Eco not at all. Nor have I used Vogengo's Accu Drums. Have yet to use any of the Sonic Reality kits (Ocean Way, Drum Masters) even after owning them for years.
     
    Abbey Road stuff from Komplete 8 screams at me to be used. I think I've used one or two kits before.
     
    On one CHB tune I used "Metal 1" from Bluenoise Plugins (32bit only)
     
    Addictive gets used about 5% of the time.
     
    Superior gets used about 15% of the time.
     
    Slate gets used about 20% of the time.
     
    EZDrummer (now 2) gets used about 57.9757588546425879% of the time.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 19:56:22 (permalink)
    It's usually real drums with Slate Digital Trigger for me, otherwise Addictive Drums. I have Eco that came with Zildjian Digital Vault but I never opened the package. I dabbled with Session drummer some but I don't go there any more.
     
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 21:56:40 (permalink)
    I forgot about the Zildjian Digital Vault - great cymbals. 
     

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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 22:11:26 (permalink)
    As soon as I started using Battery 3 I stopped using anything else. I don't even have Session Drummer installed on my current system.
     

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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 22:33:35 (permalink)
    I never use Velocity (cut down version of DR-008 included in Project 5)  I don't use Session Drummer or the SI-Drumkit either.
     
    I do actually use TTS-1, but mostly as a placeholder when I am trying to make a "music - 1" track to jam to.  I have also used the Roland GrooveSynth for electronic drums and percussion, but rarely.
     
    I have SSD3, which sounds fine, but I never seem to use.
     
    I don't use the Sennheiser DrumMic'A much either.
     
    I also thought I would like the Dry kit for AD, but in practice not so much.
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/06/30 23:25:00 (permalink)
    Further to my first answer.
     
    As other have said a lot of what i have gets used in small ways. I am glad to have Kitcore working again because I find the Luis Conte percussion kits very useful. Some of the other kits fill gaps too.
     
    I have used Session Drummer on the odd occasion
     
    The two "never used" I should have mentioned in the original post are Battery and Arturia Spark, both of which I would not have bought if they did not come in a bundle. I can't see these ever being used by me to be quite honest. Battery's acoustic kits are far below the standard of NI's kontakt kits and Toontrack and BFD. But if you are into electronic drums and EDM I can see that these programs would be very good.

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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/07/01 00:10:45 (permalink)
    I actuallu meant to say si- drum. I actually use SD3 from time to time
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/07/01 06:37:09 (permalink)
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    Basically everything that is not BFD3. BFD3 > all.
     
    Seriously, since getting it I have had little interest in my other kits.




     
    +1 here.
     
    I have EZdrummer, Session Drummer 1 & 2, Addictive Drums, Steven Slate, Kontakts Modern Drums (and others) Battery 4, BFD Eco and BFD2 but now I only ever use BFD3 as it covers all bases most handsomely
     
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/07/01 10:49:05 (permalink)
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    As soon as I started using Battery 3 I stopped using anything else. I don't even have Session Drummer installed on my current system.
     

    I used the original version of Battery years ago and absolutely loved it. The whole concept was intuitive to my work flow. I would go there again if I wasn't so heavily invested in AD.
     
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    Re: Which of your digital drum products don't you ever use? 2014/07/01 11:21:16 (permalink)
    Studio-wise, Superior, always! Just playin' around, AD2 and BFD. I used Battery 3 for the longest time with custom drum librarys. With the library I built of EZX and SDX kits, Toontrack pretty much covers anything I do. I did use AD1 for live performance because it loaded so fast and was low on cpu usage. AD2 now uses a very noticeable per centage of cpu power so I bumped it out and replaced it with Superior. I figured I may as well since AD2 was eating up as much cpu as Superior.

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