I can hear audio but not MIDI

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2014/06/30 12:04:12 (permalink)

I can hear audio but not MIDI

 
I just installed SONAR X3 Producer on a new computer and I can't get MIDI audio to play. The MIDI in and out are flashing on my interface and I can see the audio signal in my mixing board, but no audio coming out  of SONAR when I play back the track.
 
Any thoughts?
 
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    slartabartfast
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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/06/30 13:46:12 (permalink)
    My first thought is that MIDI is not audio, so no one can hear it. MIDI is a set of machine instructions to make an instrument (outboard synth or softsynth program in the computer) play music. So obviously we do not know what you are trying to do. If you want help, you will need to spend some time and effort explaining your problem. Most of the time this question comes from someone who does not have his MIDI tracks set up properly to feed their data into a softsynth. 
     
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    post edited by slartabartfast - 2014/06/30 13:53:27
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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/06/30 15:58:46 (permalink)
    Hi slartabartfast, thanks for posting.
    OK, here's what's happening:
    • When I run SONAR on the timeline, I see MIDI IN and OUT flashing on my MIDI interface so I know that the interface is reading the MIDI file that already exists on a track in my project.
    • My Mackie mixing board is showing the audio from my MIDI-driven Roland XP-80 as SONAR runs. (The XP-80 output is on channel strips 19-20)
    • When I record a vocal (channel strip 18), it records successfully on a track in my SONAR project and I hear it coming through my speakers, so I know that the audio is being passed from the Mackie board.
    • But the audio coming through channel strips 19-20 is not audible.
    For what it's worth, one peculiarity is that when I unplug and re-plug the line input cable (blue jack) on the back of my computer, the MIDI signal no longer appears on channel strips 19-20 of my Mackie mixer. I'm mentioning it just in case that gives you a clue to what's going on.
     
    Hope that helps clarify matters.
     
    Thanks,
    John

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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/06/30 20:07:41 (permalink)
    OK, so now we know you have at least two pieces of equipment (mixer and outboard synth) that we would not have guessed from the OP. The problem remains that it is not clear how they are connected and what you are trying to accomplish. Since the Roland XP-80 is a MIDI keyboard controller, a MIDI controlled sound module and a MIDI sequencer in its own right there are a lot of possibilities. Is it that you want an already recorded MIDI track in Sonar to control the Roland XP-80 sound module via a midi connection (how is that connection established?) and then to record the audio output from the XP-80 back into Sonar? 
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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/07/01 13:04:47 (permalink)
    Basically I just want to hear the pre-existing MIDI track played back while it's still MIDI only. As I run the track in SONAR, Channels 19 and 20 on my mixer light up indicating that the MIDI is being received and the audio is being fed to the mixer, but I can't hear it. However if i record the MIDI tracks onto an audio track, then I can hear them on the newly recorded audio track.
    The IN and OUT of the MIDI tracks are:
        IN: USB Uno MIDI Interface
        OUT: 1-USB Uno MIDI Interface
    As I recall this is how they were configured in SONAR X1, and I could always hear the MIDI tracks played back.
     
    Does that information help?
     

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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/07/01 13:58:30 (permalink)
    Just to be clear, you are never going to be able to hear a MIDI track while it is still MIDI only. The sound has to come from something else that is controlled by the MIDI track. I think you are saying you want the MIDI track to make the XP-80 play audio. But how does it get to your speakers.
     
    If I have this right (and I am not sure that I do) you are using the Uno as the output from the Sonar MIDI track, the MIDI out from the Uno is connected to the MIDI in of the XP-80, the audio outs from the XP-80 are going into a mixer ... and that is as far as I can guess. Somehow the audio out from the mixer channels that the XP-80 is feeding has to be routed to your speakers. It sounds like you may have your speakers as output from Sonar, but not have the mixer output running directly to the speakers. If that is the case you would not expect to hear anything from the speakers (via Sonar's main outs, through an as yet unspecified audio interface) unless you send the XP-80 audio signal out from the mixer in to the input of a Sonar audio track. At that point, Sonar can record the audio in its audio track and also echo it out to the Sonar main outs.
     
    Can you hear the output you want from the headphone jack of the XP-80?
    If you connect your speakers directly to the output from the channels on your mixer that are taking the XP-80 as input can you hear it?
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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/07/01 14:27:56 (permalink)
    In 'very' short:
    MIDI is not sound, its just data. MIDI needs a synth or softsynth to produce sounds. The MIDI data will trigger the synth and then the  synth will make the sound.
     
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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/07/01 15:05:41 (permalink)
    Also to be clear, if MIDI is being routed to an outboard synth, the AUDIO made by that synth is what needs to be recorded (not the MIDI out of the synth).

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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/07/02 00:47:51 (permalink)
    I just realized that it's not a MIDI specific problem at all. The audio master out of the mixer goes to the line-in of the computer, but the audio does not go to the speakers even though the output setting for master is "Speakers / Headphones (IDT High ..."  The only thing that goes to the speakers is the pre-recorded material on the tracks!
     
    There must be some setting somewhere that will enable the line-in audio to get to the speakers the same way the pre-recorded audio tracks do.  But what?

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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/07/02 11:38:35 (permalink)
    By the way, does anybody know why Cakewalk has been closed for the last week. I'm in pretty desperate need of technical support  (for more than just this). 
     
    Concerned,
    John

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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/07/02 12:19:02 (permalink)
    Could be due to July 4 th?

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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/07/02 12:23:02 (permalink)
    So you don't have an audio interface?
    I think what everyone here is trying to tell you is your trying to hear sound over your MIDI connection. You need the audio connection from the Roland

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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/07/03 10:57:37 (permalink)
    Sounds like you have a routing problem. Try this.

    Hook the PC audio outs into a channel input on the mixer.

    Hook the mixer main outs directly to the speakers.

    Connect an aux bus, preferably a pre-fade one, from the mixer to the PC audio inputs.

    Now when Sonar is playing audio, that audio passes through the mixer where it can be mixed with the output from your synth and sent to the speakers.

    To record audio you need to use the auxiliary channel(s) on the mixer to send the audio into Sonar while the channel fader is used to control the monitoring mix in the speakers. This means you are not monitoring via Sonar but via the mixer so there should be no latency.

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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/07/23 22:03:56 (permalink)
     I am certainly far from knowledgeable  and probably shouldn't chime in here but I has a similar problem a month or two ago. This is may not be what you are seeking as a solution ... but who knows??? 
    • Select Insert SoftSynth
      • from the main pull down menu
    • Select Direct X
    • Select Cakewalk TTS-1
    Your midi output track needs to show up on your Soft Synth track as Cakewalk TTS-1 so that your midi instructions are implemented.  If you can hear the midi doing its thing then you'll have an inkling as to why you are otherwise getting no Midi output.  From there it's a matter of playing around with the parameters of the Cakewalk TTS-1 soft synth (or another that you may select) to get the sound you want to hear!
     
     
     
     
     

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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/07/24 09:47:57 (permalink)
    johnnyc323
    By the way, does anybody know why Cakewalk has been closed for the last week. I'm in pretty desperate need of technical support  (for more than just this). 
     
    Concerned,
    John


    Just do a search in here and google. I'm 1000% sure all your problems are posted here already or are posted in google already. Your PC is the most powerful tool you have. It can be used for searching and answering any of your problems.
     
    Also, the Help file and the hundreds of videos that are posted about Sonar are really good. You have so much information at your finger tips.
     
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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/07/24 10:22:17 (permalink)
    Please pay careful attention to the steps outlined by TLW above. This will solve your problem.
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    Re: I can hear audio but not MIDI 2014/07/24 10:31:21 (permalink)
    TLW???

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