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Moving MIDI track to Session Drummer drum map
Hi
I have a MIDI track with notes (using a standard piano roll) which is sent to a Session Drummer 3 soft synth.
I am then assigning a drum map for this MIDI track, which is a "session drummer 2" drum map included with Sonar X3. This will be using the same softsynth. After I have done this it plays the wrong sounds so I will need to move the notes around in the drum pane to get the right notes to trigger.
Does anybody have an efficient technique to get the notes to map correctly to the sounds after a drum map change? (Any tips?).
Thanks!
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Re: Moving MIDI track to Session Drummer drum map
2014/07/03 22:23:59
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Depends on how often this will be done. The direct method is click on the instrument row to move and shift-drag the notes to the new location. The long-term solution is open the drum map and change the output notes to the correct values and save the new drum map as a preset.
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Re: Moving MIDI track to Session Drummer drum map
2014/07/03 22:37:23
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Thanks Scook. I don't want to change the session drummer 2 drum map it's exactly what I need.
I've been selecting/shift+dragging notes, however this is tedious as I keep dragging it to the wrong row therefore trigger the wrong sound (I'm probably too tired), I was wondering what the most efficient way to aim for the correct row..
It's a pity there isn't a CAL script or something that will read in the drum map and do it automatically. Wishful thinking :).
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Re: Moving MIDI track to Session Drummer drum map
2014/07/03 22:42:22
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A CAL script could move the notes. I have never needed anything more than a few map changes or row drags so never bothered to write a script.
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Re: Moving MIDI track to Session Drummer drum map
2014/07/04 01:42:44
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Another way, which I would use before CAL is create a special map for the translation and record the result of passing the data through the map using a virtual MIDI cable.
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Re: Moving MIDI track to Session Drummer drum map
2014/07/04 16:43:32
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Well I just spent an entire day trying to merge multiple MIDI tracks into one MIDI track with a drum map. Impossible, I found so many bugs I've pretty decided to abandon drum maps entirely. There are so many bugs I'm not even going to bother to report, QA should have done a far better job here.
The only way you can use drum maps is if you set it all up correctly first time, otherwise forget it...
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Re: Moving MIDI track to Session Drummer drum map
2014/07/04 19:03:14
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Setting it up right to begin with IS probably the easiest way to deal with it. You could follow the beginning of my video to get it done fairly fast. If the Session Drummer 2 map is close to right to start with, though, why not just make a copy of that map preset and then modify a few of the in to out mappings at the drum map manager?
It sound like you have already abandoned hope here, but maybe that helps at all?
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Re: Moving MIDI track to Session Drummer drum map
2014/07/04 19:40:26
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To be honest yes! Sorry...
I've had success before and it was, as you say, when you start off right.... although it's far to fiddly and irritating it was at least manageable.
Sadly the UI is far to buggy when you need to copy/paste move stuff around in the drum pane from one track to another esp when one track is in piano roll and one is drums. So lesson learned :)....
Much appreciated!
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Re: Moving MIDI track to Session Drummer drum map
2014/07/04 20:33:05
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Sorry I didn't have a better answer than that. I have my drum map setup for the whole vdrums kit always ready to go so there are no issues when I want to use it.
It would be great to get some feedback from the cakewalk team as to whether there are any plans to ever update this since it doesn't seems to have been modified at all in many years -since about sonar 5 as far as I can tell.
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Re: Moving MIDI track to Session Drummer drum map
2014/07/04 21:12:46
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I don't think they have any choice the matter. The Drum Maps need to be scrapped and rewritten from scratch, and the piano roll need to be updated so it's more useable in this area (and less buggy). I also had really bad usability issues such as selecting inline notes in the inline piano roll into another track with a drum map for instance. it was nearly impossible (in fact I think it was)...
I would log a million issues about this with Cakewalk but I think they probably already know about it.
Anyways enough moaning at my end for one day!
I normally restrain myself but drum maps let's out my inner b itch.
Cheers!
Alex
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