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Audio input latency
Sonar Producer X3e on Windows 8.1 running on Dell Inspiron 3537 using Realtek High Definition. I'm wanting to do something as simple as a karoake setup. I have one track for the audio(USB microphone) and a second track that I drag the MP3 track to. I want to do this with my headphone on so I can hear myself along with the music. When I turn on the Echo on the Audio track, I can hear myself real-time, yet my voice is a smidge behind. I've lowered the latency buffer ALL the way to the left, etc, etc. It drives me nuts to be a tad behind. Any tips on how to get the Mic audio to play out in Real Time? I tried ASIO...no bueno..too much static. I'm open for software tips and even some hardware suggestions in order to accomplish this. Thanks for your help! Glenn, Dallas, TX
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/04 22:21:03
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☄ Helpfulby GBO323 2014/07/05 01:30:19
You may get pretty significant latency from having your wi-fi adapter enabled while running Sonar. Lots of laptop folks disable their wi-fi adapters just prior to running Sonar, and enable them when through with Sonar. Also, I have never had great luck using on-board sound with Sonar, have you considered picking up a dedicated audio interface? Bob Bone
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/04 22:26:24
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☄ Helpfulby GBO323 2014/07/05 01:30:15
Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed. @48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38. Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/05 02:19:48
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Thanks, Guys...that definitely points me in the right direction. SO many of these audio interfaces out there. Learning alot here! :) Appreciate the assist.
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/05 08:36:33
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+1 to an audio interface with dedicated ASIO drivers. Onboard audio (I.e. Realtek) will cause you more harm than good. Focusrite is a great brand.
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/05 08:44:12
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A dedicated audio interface will probably mean losing the USB microphone. The will definitely be the case if there are any plans to use the microphone and monitor through the interface in ASIO mode at the same time.
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/05 10:39:20
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Be aware that that Focusrite interface posted above doesn't contain any midi ports, which only matters if you needed to plug in any actual midi cables (like to some legacy external gear). Most newer stuff connects through USB to the computer, so it will likely not be an issue - just trying to make sure you get all the info :) That interface is a good one - great quality and reasonable cost, and it will really make a huge difference in the performance and in the sound quality. That interface has 2 mic inputs, so if you pick up even a standard stage mic it will likely give you as good or better sound than the current USB mic you have been using. (I don't believe those USB mics have much oomph - from what I can recall when I have seen them in the past). I TRULY hope you get it all worked out, and that you quickly get to where what's in your head and in your heart can be expressed through Sonar into stuff other folks can hear and appreciate. :) This forum has a bunch of really helpful folks, and as long as you don't make too much fun of some of them driving on the wrong side of the street or typing with an accent, they will put a lot of work into helping you get stuff figured out. Bob Bone
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/05 12:02:18
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Yeah, I'm not attached to the USB microphone. It came with a RockBand game some time ago, but pulls up as a Logitech USB microphone. I've tried a couple of others and the latency issue persists. From what I've read across web boards, the on-board sound card isn't going to give me what I'm needing, so the FocusRite looks to be the way to go. This Focusrite 2i4 bundle on Amazon looks to be the direction to go... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BW90Z8A/ref=gno_cart_title_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2JP8H9SSVETMS
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/05 12:18:21
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CakeAlexS Note you won't be able to use a USB mic but then they aren't much good anyway..
The reason they have a bad rep is because the original ones were inexpensive and designed for things like Skype and podcasting with laptops, but that's changing. Audio-Technica and MXL make some high-quality USB mics. I take the AT2020 when I travel and also like the MXL USB.007; they're as good as non-USB mics in the same price range. The Samson Meteor is really inexpensive and I used to carry it around with me to do narration for videos. But I found out it was also an excellent way to start a conversation with TSA agents...shiny, cylindrical metal things seem to fascinate them. But back to the original topic. Agreed you need an external audio interface with ASIO drivers. I don't recommend ASIO4ALL, it's a valiant attempt to make Windows do something it doesn't want to do. Very few USB mics have ASIO drivers, they're generally class-compliant and use MME drivers so latency is an issue.
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/05 12:25:44
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I would probably try Voicemeeter before ASIO4ALL were I needing to connect a USB microphone to a DAW in ASIO mode. Fortunately, I have not been in this situation.
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/05 17:35:35
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☄ Helpfulby GBO323 2014/07/06 01:30:03
I have no idea what the quality level is of the mics in that bundled deal. My instinct tells me 'Run, Forest, run!', but I have nothing to base that on. I did do a quick look and saw this review on the mics: http://www.sonicsense.com/blog/reviews-and-tutorials/mxl-550-551-microphones-in-the-studio Anyways, good luck with it all - the interface is quite popular, and it will definitely help your Sonar performance - hope the mics are good too. Bob Bone
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/06 01:36:12
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Thanks, Bob. Appreciate your assist here. My 2i4 bundle should arrive on Tuesday. Can't wait!
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/07 12:04:46
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Ditto on the microphones...the MXLs are decent enough kit for cheap, but if you check the Amazon prices for those, the bundle is no deal...they are very low cost. Also, neither of them is appropriate for karaoke handheld vocals. I have never regretted buying just the mic I need at the moment, and buying known quality. A great starter mic is an SM-58 from Shure....at $99, it will still be cheaper than the bundle if you buy the 2i4 standalone.
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/07 16:19:17
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To bring us back to the OP question, here's what I do. Even though MOTU offers a limited, but VERY low latency monitor console, I still prefer to track, say, vocals through the Echo in Sonar. The Echo latency is high when the buffers are set high, but also when plug-ins require compensation for their own processing delays. However, I wish to use compression when tracking sometimes. It allows a singer to force their vocals a little less sometimes, or just dig into the track a bit more, where timidity is a problem. After lowering your buffers to 256 or less, click the PDC button to disable the plug-ins. See if this improves the Echo latency. If it does, uncheck that button and manually disable all the plug-ins you really don't need for tracking. Only enable the plug-ins you want to use to track. Also, I've noticed at times, Sonar will intermittently exhibit far more echo delay feedback than other times. If I hear echo delay feedback, where I haven't heard it before, I can try a few things: Merely stopping the Audio engine (waveform button under the counter in the Control Bar), re-enable it. Or, I may disable the Echo button and re-nable that. Other times, I can stop the playback/record function and start over. I don't know what gets Sonar in this state, but it's still a problem I deal with regularly. you may also try freezing all your other tracks, then click the PDC button. A feature I've requested was to provide the Sonar user the ability to freeze the entire project with one click, so that you have a temporarily processed mix, and allow you to save your valuable CPU power and reduce latency by allowing your "armed" track(s) to use active plug-ins. This way, the rest of the mix plays like a single stereo track with no plug-ins. The only active plug-ins are on the track(s) you have armed to record. I don't know if that's even being considered, but I felt it was a good idea.
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/07 23:10:26
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Sorry not liking that bundle at all on Amazon. On my last post #2 I showed you a different bundle which is actually quite good if you want a moderately priced package deal... Here is the Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/Foc...ecording/dp/B00AW91CPG If you want to spend more money get something like a Shure SM7B which is a good all rounder and pair it with a SM58 if you really need another mic. Or start off with just one of these mics.
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2014/07/07 23:16:55
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/07 23:56:07
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Alex, I went with the bundle I linked because it came with the 2i4...I needed the extra outputs and MIDI ports. The Boom mic holders will also come in handy. The 2 mics will serve their purpose. Of course, I will grow my selection of microphones over time and need. :)
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Re: Audio input latency
2014/07/09 13:27:33
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Cool - have fun !
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