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Websites for Selling Music
I have been unbelievably frustrated trying to get someone to help me build a site to sell CDs, downloads, and merchandise. • There are lots of cheap templates out there but either they don't do e-commerce, or else they are geared towards someone with a catalog of lots of items (like jewelry or small tools). • Custom design firms usually work with large corporations and their fees are going to be out of line for an independent music producer. • Some sites (bandcamp) are optimized to sell music, but that is all they do: they won't build your other web pages. Although what they do looks good, it is a pretty rigid template. My needs are not that great. I can give someone the layout and artwork, the content (music and videos), the PayPal button code (or whatever the web builder recommends), the domain names, etc., but I need that person to build the site so it works and then upload it to my service provider (e.g., Network Solutions). Functions I need (besides the obvious text and buttons): stream music, stream video, sell CDs, sell merchandise, sell downloads, and keep records so I can be sure I ship to everyone who buys and so I have the mailing list info later. Surely there is someone who can do this. Of course, I will pay—but hopefully something in-between the $9.95 template and the $50,000 corporate fee. Thoughts?
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 02, 14 11:47 PM
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They won't sell CD's but I found www.emubands.com to be cheap and comprehensive for electronic distribution and reporting. I do my own sites and do them for other people, although I haven't built in any distribution features yet, mainly because there seems to be other priorities or not enough time and money to do it (People tend to use Excel or something). ie http://www.whiplashcooperative.comhttp://www.ajantamusic.comThey are designed to be reasonably easily updated by the customer, there are probably loads of improvements that can be done to them but the budgets were limited. You may need somebody similar who is US based I'm in the UK, the exchange rate isn't so competitive. Cheers...
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 03, 14 2:21 AM
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Have you looked at Bandcamp? They handle downloads and CD sales, and the user can customize their music page to an extent. Also, if you look around you'll find that you can do a lot better than Network Solutions.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 03, 14 5:28 AM
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I'm a web developer and can help with advice and suggestions. A couple of options: Bigcartel - There's a free option that allows you to list 5 products Bandcamp - You can sell downloads and physical goods Wordpress - Register a domain and build a wordpress site and then you can create buy now buttons or use one of the shop plugins to build the store. The site I use for Field Records is built using OpenCart but that it more geared towards large amounts of products. I'm currently building a new shop built in Drupal which will give me the best of both worlds.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 03, 14 8:18 AM
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I will hunt around for sites that handle the distribution/payment parts of things, that also allow some custom content to be added to describe the seller and the merchandise. A thought. Check with the academic computer programming department at a couple of your local colleges. The professors and/or a dean may have some ideas on helping you get up and running for cheap - possibly they would do the work on the side, or they would recommend a small number of students that they feel could handle it. I used to work at DePaul University in Chicago, and we used to get these kinds of requests - it worked out well, as it was normally just some guy wanting a pretty straight-forward web page or site, and it was great real world experience for the students, as well. I will spend some time today looking into the above, and into other options for you, and will post back to this thread within the next 4 hours. Bob Bone
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 03, 14 8:30 AM
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Ive sent you a pm konradh Regards Lee
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 03, 14 11:12 AM
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I love how 2 people cited Bandcamp when he already mentioned that in the original post. Read, then write. ;) My guess is that sadly there isn't much of a demand for music-specific e-commerce sites because music sales are dropping. New technology tends to follow the rising star, not the falling one.
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July 03, 14 3:43 PM
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Build it yourself. This way, you will have the knowledge to administer the site also. Wordpress is the most popular template based software on the planet and quite easy to use. There are excellent tutorials on YouTube for free and if you don't mind paying, Lynda.Com has a great one that is straight forward and well thought out. Plenty of free templates and some really nice ones for $50 or so. They do have templates that are set up for e-commerce. If you sell on CD Baby, they provide a code (called a widget); You can paste this code on your site and your customers can not only buy a high quality mp3 (also a flac file) but also hear a short sample of the song.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 03, 14 4:57 PM
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tom1 If you sell on CD Baby, they provide a code (called a widget); You can paste this code on your site and your customers can not only buy a high quality mp3 (also a flac file) but also hear a short sample of the song.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 03, 14 5:36 PM
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☄ Helpfulby HELLYA July 03, 14 5:55 PM
Be careful if you're selling Cd's through CDBaby. A new policy, if you don't sell enough they can now destroy your inventory if you don't decide to ship copies back ( at your cost) I have an old title that sells only 3-4 copies a year, they decided I can only have 1 copy in stock!! They destroyed the other 4 (used to be 5 limit) I recently sold a copy & I get an email requesting to send them ONE copy for re-stock!! It used to be a great company for Indie bands & musicians until Derek sold it..
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 03, 14 6:50 PM
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☄ Helpfulby HELLYA July 04, 14 9:29 AM
Kylotan My guess is that sadly there isn't much of a demand for music-specific e-commerce sites because music sales are dropping. New technology tends to follow the rising star, not the falling one.
I agree, The market for hard copy CD's is just about as dead as it will ever be. It might retun in the same way Vinyl is returning but don't count on it any day (decade) soon. iTunes rules the music market. Downloads of mp3. But how will people find you.. The best market for CD's will remain off the stage sales at live gigs. Any musician/ band who are not out there playing live stand very little chance of anyone noticing their music. Just browse Reverbnation/ Sound cloud/Sound CLick and you'll find 1,000's of unnoticed original recordings. It's sad as there is sometimes some real good stuff happening there. But I think only other musicians go to these sites. The public? It has to be an app on their cell phone or they aren't listening. Some very good sudjestions above. Wordpress is worth looking into for sure.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 03, 14 6:53 PM
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☄ Helpfulby HELLYA July 04, 14 9:29 AM
CDBaby sucks. I could tell you a few horror stories...
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 03, 14 7:05 PM
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Templatemonster.com has thousands of templates under $100. They will also customize them, but can also have another modify....
Custom work can be contracted on elance.com (typically done by someone in India very cheaply). A friend had their company website built <$300 from scratch that way. As with all contracting, be very specific about what you want.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 03, 14 7:24 PM
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CakeAlexS CDBaby sucks. I could tell you a few horror stories...
I've not had a problem with CDBaby. Although I haven't had any dealings with them since the original owner sold the company.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 03, 14 7:28 PM
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Konrad, I've a web developer who works with a lot of small businesses within the budget you're looking at. Would love to do a music related site and help a fellow musician out. If you're interested in discussing this, let me know how I can contact you...I'd suggest a PM but I can't send them. Longtime lurker, don't post much. Mark
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July 04, 14 6:59 AM
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☄ Helpfulby HELLYA July 04, 14 9:31 AM
konradh and keep records so I can be sure I ship to everyone who buys and so I have the mailing list info later.
1) Use PayPal It's no more expensive that a Merchant Account for Credit Cards. PayPal keeps records for you in that they send you an email for every thing that happens. After that you need the discover a solution to create a database of customers contact information. Excel would work. I use Act! originally by symantic and I'm still using an old OLD version and it's great. Streaming audio with a "Buy" button ... This player works great for that. Here's the player and the Buy button with a demo page that opens when you click it. Of course it could open in a new tab, or better yet a frame so that the music keeps playing. Both are easy fixes. http://www.sightsea.com/music/sotd/trudy_world.html Network Solutions ??? ehhhh ... if you're paying more than $19.xx a month then I'd say get a better host. webmasters.com is great ... totally unlimited upload space and 24/7 phone support. Streaming video might be most easily done by embedding youtube or Vimeo videos into the page like so: http://www.sightsea.com/player.html
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 04, 14 11:12 AM
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For online shops that don't sell too much I have to agree that you can't beat Paypal and when I'm buying online it's my preferred method of payment. I've been using it on the Field Records site for year with a number of iterations of the site including Wordpress, Joomla and OpenCart. At the moment I'm rebuilding the site in Drupal with the Commerce Kickstarted module because it gives me the most flexibility on how to build the site without having to code everything. In the past I have worked on big online shops written in a bespoke .Net platform for VisitBritain and RAC so I have lots of experience of creating sites to sell products.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 04, 14 11:17 AM
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I would like to hear more about these CDbaby horror stories and/or degradation of service. They were kind of my shining light at the end of the tunnel in regards to how to eventually distribute my stuff independently in a cost effective manner. If they are going down the pooper or there are things I need to watch out for I would like to know. My needs and expectations are rather simple so what might be a problem for some may not necessarily affect me or be as problematic. Cheers. Edit: And this is particularly important now that I think about it because I recently recommended them to someone to pass along to some of the underground and "unsignable" acts they deal with.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 04, 14 3:16 PM
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Thanks. I know how to insert the PayPal button into HTML. The problem is that I don't have time to layout the site, write the HTML, optimize for different platforms, insert the shopping cart, upload to my provider, ensure I am getting records of purchases, ensure everything is integrated, point all the domain names, set-up email, etc. Someone who does this for a living could do it easily. Bandcamp is OK as the sell page within a larger site; but there again, I have to build the main site, link to Bandcamp (that part is easy), ensure everything works together, ensure the Bandcamp page looks like my other pages, etc. This is a job for a specialist; not for someone trying to do it in-between 50 other things. In response to comments above, downloads sell more than physical CDs, but many people want CDs and merchandise. Also, you need CDs for events. If you've never done this before, note that most aggregators require you to sell on Amazon and to provide a CD with a universally recognized bar code, which is why I belong to GS-1 and use them to produce bar codes. BTW, I know how to sell on iTunes via an aggregator, but, while you need to exist on iTunes for credibility and in case someone looks for you there, it is not profitable; and without a huge advertising budget, you will be lost there. PS I used to be an online movie reviewer as a sideline, and I built my site in WordPress. I heavily customized the code and the site looked great; but it did not sell anything and it took a huge amount of time to maintain.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 04, 14 3:56 PM
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I feel your pain. <forum url filter engaged> nimbit dot com has been around for a while and may be a consideration although I cannot speak from personal experience. <end forum url filter> Enlisting local resources or some of the offers in this post might work as well, but obviously require more of a time commitment from your side to get what you want. I ended up rolling my own as part of optimizing the experience for the target demographic.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 04, 14 6:33 PM
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konradh which is why I belong to GS-1 and use them to produce bar codes.
URL ??? Is their price for a bar code better than CD Baby's? Thanks!
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 04, 14 7:15 PM
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A bar code from CDBaby is expensive ($20.00) I get mine in lots of 10 @ $3.00 per. (IIRC about $10.00 each, the more you purchase the less expensive per) Google 'bar codes bulk'
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 05, 14 10:10 AM
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Beepster I would like to hear more about these CDbaby horror stories and/or degradation of service. They were kind of my shining light at the end of the tunnel in regards to how to eventually distribute my stuff independently in a cost effective manner. If they are going down the pooper or there are things I need to watch out for I would like to know. My needs and expectations are rather simple so what might be a problem for some may not necessarily affect me or be as problematic. Cheers. Edit: And this is particularly important now that I think about it because I recently recommended them to someone to pass along to some of the underground and "unsignable" acts they deal with.
They are getting expensive (prices creep up every time I visit the site) and the fact that they will not stock any CD's (unless they are fast moving) makes it difficult to actually profit from CD sales. We gave up on selling CD's through them because it cost more to send them than we were getting for them. (I'm in Canada, postage is a lot higher from here). BUT - we still use them for Digital release. Spend an hour or two setting up an Album and within a couple weeks it is available around the world. 90% or more of our sales come from iTunes. We could go directly to them, but CD Baby makes it painless and the reporting is excellent. We do manage our own Bar Codes, ISRC codes, artwork, etc... etc..
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 05, 14 11:52 AM
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Good deal of you folks are top notch professionals, l I am "acceptable".Was recommended this site and results, very happy with. Prices I thought were good. Manufacturer turnaround from order date is very fast. It is a robot type ordering manufacturing and shipping system. No interaction with anyone. Only purchased a few over 100 units, but happy with quality. A bar code is free with the first order, its married into you own artwork.The upload for artwork/verify back and forth takes bit of time. But yields high quality verification results. No connection with them at all other that small happy customer. The first link can answer 99.99% of your questions.Google reviews on them, for your own benefit. http://kunaki.com/home.aspThis link is my CD...they never sold a single one... But FAQ's do answer your questions on distribution. http://kunaki.com/sales.asp?PID=PX007R2603
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 05, 14 12:00 AM
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I've used Kunaki in the past. Not great quality, duplication only. Worth checking out for piece meal, small projects & promo/ giveaways, they drop-ship too. I've sold through them & haven't had any delivery problems or customer complaints.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 05, 14 2:59 PM
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Thanks, Carl, but I have manufacture covered. I need a web designer/builder.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 05, 14 3:45 PM
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Sorry, it was OT in response to fb.seeker's post above.
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Re: Websites for Selling Music
July 05, 14 5:48 PM
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konradh Thanks, Carl, but I have manufacture covered. I need a web designer/builder.
Konrad, I think I might be able to help (and would be glad to) and if you'd like to talk about this, if you go to subdog.com there's an email where I can be reached. I've worked with Network Solutions before and can do exactly what you're looking for in terms of putting everything together.
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