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Tempo-sync Kirk Hunter Strings patterns in Kontakt 5 (Mr. Bob Bone, could you help? )
Well, it's my embarrassing every-few-weeks-baffled thread again :) I just bought Kirk Hunter Pop Rock Strings (and also Spotlight Strings) during the recent sale. There are features called PatternMaker and Easy String Arranger in Pop Rock Strings that I would like to use within Sonar X3e and Kontakt 5. I have a song in Sonar X3 that varies in tempo from verse to bridge to chorus. I would like to add some Kirk Hunter patterns to the song but can't figure out how to get them to sync in Kontakt. I've read lots about slicing and time machine pro and lots of steps to take before actually making any music. Then, if the first pattern doesn't suit, you have to start all over with the slicing and dicing so that you can hear if the second pattern works when heard with your song. And, to tell the truth, I really don't follow even all of that well. It seems confusing and complicated. Isn't there a way to somehow just click some kind of "Follow Host Tempo" button somewhere and be able to play along to experiment with which runs and phrases might sound well in my song? I wrote to Kirk Hunter and he very kindly responded. He said it is very easy to do but I needed to look at the Kontakt 5 sync tutorial. I've been looking for them and at them all day and either haven't found the right tutorial or just don't understand what to do. I think I'm way out in left field here. Could someone steer me in the right direction? Thank you, LJ
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Re: Tempo-sync Kirk Hunter Strings patterns in Kontakt 5 (Mr. Bob Bone, could you help? )
2014/07/09 23:14:57
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One bump in hopes of a reply. It's that every other Kontakt library I have has some kind of Sync button or command somewhere. Here, there seems to be no such button. Mr. Hunter, in reply to me on YouTube, just said it was simple and to check the Kontakt sync video. So it seems to be that I have to make it follow the song tempo using only the Kontakt 5 interface. Thanks to anybody with a guess :)
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Re: Tempo-sync Kirk Hunter Strings patterns in Kontakt 5 (Mr. Bob Bone, could you help? )
2014/07/10 02:35:02
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I am honored that you have the notion that I can guide you through this topic, thank you for your vote of confidence. I am by NO means a Kontakt expert, and also do not ever work with patterns, so in trying to assist you this is COMPLETELY new ground for me. I will do what I can to help, in any case - just please temper your expectations, so that I don't disappoint you with struggling. :) I DID do a little digging, for any tutorials on using sync and slices and dices and such, and will read up on everything I can find first thing in the morning. It is currently just after 2:00 in the morning, and I have been up for about 20 hours, so I am off to bed here momentarily. Here is a link for what appears to be a collection of free tutorials and other things for Kontakt - and other synths too, it seems: http://www.kontakttutorials.com/welcome/ I could have posted the direct link to the specific tutorial section, but, the above link has apparently a one-time free offer to subscribe your email to an entire SERIES of tutorials about Kontakt, and I thought you might want to sign up for that. I have no experience with their site as of yet, BUT I did go ahead and sign up for the series, giving them my email and name. I figure even if it is some crazy bunch of stuff they send, it would be easy enough to cancel or block, or filter. The search results Google returned for my quest to find info on Kontakt and 'sync', returned a direct link to one of their tutorials on the subject, and that search result and its associated text summary are as follows: http://www.kontakttutorials.com/tag/sync-slice/"Sync Slice ... Posted on 14th October, by DJ Nyce in Kontakt Tutorials. ... provide a flexible way to create adjustable and repeatable modulation patterns." Try these other links I dug up, as well. I have not reviewed any of them, as it is so late in the middle of the night, but maybe some of the material will help you understand how to accomplish your goals: http://blog.dubspot.com/sound-design-tutorial-native-instruments-kontakt-loop-slicing-resampling/ http://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/advanced-drum-editing-in-kontakt--audio-1995 www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWbQBfdCBeM Lastly, I WILL look into all of this in depth for you in the morning. :) Bob Bone
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Re: Tempo-sync Kirk Hunter Strings patterns in Kontakt 5 (Mr. Bob Bone, could you help? )
2014/07/10 10:10:14
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Re: Tempo-sync Kirk Hunter Strings patterns in Kontakt 5 (Mr. Bob Bone, could you help? )
2014/07/10 16:03:45
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Thank you for your reply, CakeAlexS . I do have a subscription to Groove 3, but their tutorial does not cover what I am trying to find out. But thank you again! Mr. Bob Bone, what an amazingly kind and generous response! I just got home, and will begin to go through the links you cited immediately. I can hardly believe the time and effort you have expended on my question! It is very sincerely appreciated. I will post my success or lack of same  here in this thread. Thank you again, LJ
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Re: Tempo-sync Kirk Hunter Strings patterns in Kontakt 5 (Mr. Bob Bone, could you help? )
2014/07/10 16:15:46
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@SkinnyBones Groove3 does cover slicing and dicing pretty comprehensively, and syncing. I went through them all last week coincidentally.
As far as slicing and dicing is concerned it works but not that great in my view. I find the wave editor quite buggy and restricted. I think I much prefer battery for this sort of thing.
Ta.
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Re: Tempo-sync Kirk Hunter Strings patterns in Kontakt 5 (Mr. Bob Bone, could you help? )
2014/07/10 22:55:58
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CakeAlexS, the Groove 3 tutorials are great but they don't cover what I want to know. I don't want to slice loops and use a knob to carefully sync Pattern #1 to the host tempo by hitting play at exactly a certain measure and tick, and then have to start the whole process again to check out Pattern #2, and then the whole process again for each of several hundred other patterns. That's my difficulty with all of this. Like with all my other Kontakt 5 libraries, I want to audition many loops or patterns, one after the other, in a fun and creative way, so that I can select something that sounds good within the context of my song, then record it. Once that's done, I want to audition the next pattern or loop and continue to build the strings track for my song. That's why I'm asking for some other way of managing this, if it exists. I'm going through the links that Bob Bone sent me, hoping some light will eventually penetrate my dim brain, and I'll realize the quick and easy solution that I should have realized all along! Thanks again, LJ
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Re: Tempo-sync Kirk Hunter Strings patterns in Kontakt 5 (Mr. Bob Bone, could you help? )
2014/07/11 01:25:03
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By the way - I had not reviewed those links I posted earlier, so there may be nothing helpful whatsoever in them - they just looked like they might help. :) Good luck, Bob Bone
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