mixmkr
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So...did AD drums start getting good with the Fairfax Vol 1 ad pack?
The 3 kits that come with Sonar sound eh....plain for a lack of words. Like they're on their way to sounding good...and maybe it's just the presets. But I'd hope the presets would have been better.
Then the Fairfax seems like they started to get it right. Also,....the OH mics seem like they're 6 inch from all the crash cymbals.
I only say that because creating beats with Toontrack Superior sets....and then playing the MIDI back with Addictive Drums...the OH volumes blow you out of your chair.
I'm trying hard to like AD, but dang, the new kits in EZD2 sound better to me.
Btw...talking just contemporary pop/rock/classic, etc..
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Glyn Barnes
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Re: So...did AD drums start getting good with the Fairfax Vol 1 ad pack?
2014/07/09 00:52:26
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I was a bit underwhelmed by AD1, but in fairness I did upgrade to X3 around the same time as I got BFD3.
I would not put too much score on different kit piece volumes between applications. Thats what the mixer is for. Also when using Midi for one drum application in another you need to check the mapping to ensure you are getting the appropriate articulations.
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Re: So...did AD drums start getting good with the Fairfax Vol 1 ad pack?
2014/07/09 06:21:32
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The only AD kits I can use are the fairfax and velvet. I don't like any of the crashes though. The new AD2 engine isn't bad, but without the sounds to back it up BFD 3 and EZD2/SD2 are better overall choices IMHO as they have great engines and many great sounding expansions.
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Re: So...did AD drums start getting good with the Fairfax Vol 1 ad pack?
2014/07/09 08:08:02
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IMO, AD2 is far better soundwise then EZ2. EZ2 uses the exact same samples
that EZ1 did, you just get updated MIDI and Graphics. Where EZ2 excels is
in Song Writing...
What you have to remember is, with AD2 you are free to add or take away
whatever effects are applied to the presets. In EZ2 you are not...nor are
you free to make adjustments across the board in EZ2. However they processed
it is what you get, with minor adjustments on whatever effects THEY want you
to be able to adjust.
The Fairfax is quite nice...and ALL the samples in AD2 were updated.
I use EZ2 for song writing...then switch out to the drum sampler that fits bests.
Nothing at the moment compares to BFD3....it is now in a league all on it's own.
We'll see if Superior 3 or Slate 5 can catch up or exceed it...
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dcumpian
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Re: So...did AD drums start getting good with the Fairfax Vol 1 ad pack?
2014/07/09 08:18:13
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I find that the AD kits are not as "record ready" as some others. In a way, that leaves me more mixing options.
Regards,
Dan
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Guitarpima
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Re: So...did AD drums start getting good with the Fairfax Vol 1 ad pack?
2014/07/09 15:59:28
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I don't understand the comment about the OH mics making the cymbals to loud. That would be the case if you recorded real drums. You do realize you have complete control over every volume aspect, inside AD 1 and 2, for the individual pieces, the room mics and the overheads. I don't use the FX bus in AD but I'm pretty sure you can there as well.
Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy. Win 7 x64 X2 Intel DX58SO, Intel i7 920 2.66ghz 12gb DDR3 ASUS ATI EAH5750 650w PSU 4x WD HDs 320gb DVD, DVD RW Eleven Rack, KRK Rokit 8s and 10s sub
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mixmkr
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Re: So...did AD drums start getting good with the Fairfax Vol 1 ad pack?
2014/07/09 22:31:08
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Guitarpima
I don't understand the comment about the OH mics making the cymbals to loud. That would be the case if you recorded real drums. You do realize you have complete control over every volume aspect, inside AD 1 and 2, for the individual pieces, the room mics and the overheads. I don't use the FX bus in AD but I'm pretty sure you can there as well.
I was finding the OH channel almost needed to be taken out of the mix, because of the excessive cymbal volume. Therefore, they weren't really *available* to pick up any of the rest of the kit...like the mics were right on the cymbals and THAT was the focus totally, unlike having a split pair up a couple of feet, as an example. However, yes...pulling faders back is an easy task. But the overall sound of AD was stopping me first, before small issues like this.
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Re: So...did AD drums start getting good with the Fairfax Vol 1 ad pack?
2014/07/09 23:09:44
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You can adjust the cymbal level for the OHs as well as the room.
Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy. Win 7 x64 X2 Intel DX58SO, Intel i7 920 2.66ghz 12gb DDR3 ASUS ATI EAH5750 650w PSU 4x WD HDs 320gb DVD, DVD RW Eleven Rack, KRK Rokit 8s and 10s sub
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Re: So...did AD drums start getting good with the Fairfax Vol 1 ad pack?
2014/07/09 23:28:56
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"IMO, AD2 is far better soundwise then EZ2. EZ2 uses the exact same samples
that EZ1 did, you just get updated MIDI and Graphics. Where EZ2 excels is
in Song Writing..."
I would actually like to see a more detailed explanation of this from Toontrack. In the May issue of SOS it states that the sound files are now 18 bit instead of the original 16 bit, and that 24 bit was considered. "The Designers considered using 24 bit libraries, but found no advantage over using 18 bit samples, which are dithered by the natural noise floor."
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Glyn Barnes
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Re: So...did AD drums start getting good with the Fairfax Vol 1 ad pack?
2014/07/09 23:48:25
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The kits supplied with EZ2 are new.
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cclarry
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Re: So...did AD drums start getting good with the Fairfax Vol 1 ad pack?
2014/07/10 06:47:35
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Glyn Barnes
The kits supplied with EZ2 are new.
While the STOCK kits that came with EZ2 are new, and may be 18 bit, all the others only received new MIDI and new graphics and are still 16 bit, and had their "info" changed so they would run in EZ2...but they are NOT new kits.
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cclarry
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Re: So...did AD drums start getting good with the Fairfax Vol 1 ad pack?
2014/07/10 08:47:04
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MakeShift
"IMO, AD2 is far better soundwise then EZ2. EZ2 uses the exact same samples
that EZ1 did, you just get updated MIDI and Graphics. Where EZ2 excels is
in Song Writing..."
I would actually like to see a more detailed explanation of this from Toontrack. In the May issue of SOS it states that the sound files are now 18 bit instead of the original 16 bit, and that 24 bit was considered. "The Designers considered using 24 bit libraries, but found no advantage over using 18 bit samples, which are dithered by the natural noise floor."
Just to be clear, the update files that were supplied for my existing EZX's are just MIDI and UPDATE, which contains the new Graphics and data to allow them to run in EZ2 Interface and engine...there are no new download files for the actual library that I'm aware of...at least I didn't have any, which, by the process of elimination, means that they are still using the same existing library samples @ 16 bit. So, if the EZ Libraries are new, I, too, would like to know how they did it with just an "Update" file that is about 1/10th the size of the actual Library file... I could be seriously mistaken...but then, why wouldn't there be new downloads for the library itself? With AD2 I had to download entirely new Library files.
post edited by cclarry - 2014/07/10 08:49:54
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SvenArne
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Re: So...did AD drums start getting good with the Fairfax Vol 1 ad pack?
2014/07/10 10:00:33
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cclarry
MakeShift
"IMO, AD2 is far better soundwise then EZ2. EZ2 uses the exact same samples
that EZ1 did, you just get updated MIDI and Graphics. Where EZ2 excels is
in Song Writing..."
I would actually like to see a more detailed explanation of this from Toontrack. In the May issue of SOS it states that the sound files are now 18 bit instead of the original 16 bit, and that 24 bit was considered. "The Designers considered using 24 bit libraries, but found no advantage over using 18 bit samples, which are dithered by the natural noise floor."
Just to be clear, the update files that were supplied for my existing EZX's are just MIDI and UPDATE, which contains
the new Graphics and data to allow them to run in EZ2 Interface and engine...there are no new download files for the actual library that I'm aware of...at least I didn't have any, which, by the process of elimination, means that they are still using the same existing library samples @ 16 bit.
So, if the EZ Libraries are new, I, too, would like to know how they did it with just an "Update" file that is
about 1/10th the size of the actual Library file...
I could be seriously mistaken...but then, why wouldn't there be new downloads for the library itself?
With AD2 I had to download entirely new Library files.
Yes, the EZX's samples are the same. The "basic" kits (Modern and Vintage) are new though, and IMHO better sounding and more accomplished than any EZX made so far.
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