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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 12:46:16
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It sounds more like someone Autotuned the vocals to make it out of key (although I'm sure she's quite capable of doing this on her own.....). I can't imagine any major record label releasing this version.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 12:55:31
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I don't think anyone would consider this for release lol...as far as I know it's a "leaked" mix of her original vocal.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 12:57:57
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 13:05:15
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 13:36:54
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I'd like to know that clip's provenance. I actually heard some tuning artifacts in there, and the vocal is clearly not a raw track, being already EQ'd and compressed. All of which makes me suspect that it might be a mean joke.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 13:59:13
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Well what's interesting is that the producer of the song itself, William Orbit, took to Facebook in order to defend Spears in light of this "leak" and to suggest that the track was actually her warming up. In other words, he didn't come out and say it was fakery.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 14:27:03
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2014/07/09 15:52:11
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 15:52:16
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 15:54:34
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2014/07/09 18:24:11
sharke ...to suggest that the track was actually her warming up.
I've heard my wife warming up practically every day for 5 years and I can count the number of times she hit a sour note on the fingers of one hand. Same when learning new material. But then again, she's an actual singer.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 15:56:35
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The vocal warmup explanation lets her off the hook a little, but not entirely. I would think a skilled singer would have to make a conscious effort to sing that out of tune.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 15:58:46
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sharke ...to suggest that the track was actually her warming up.
I've heard my wife warming up practically every day for 5 years and I can count the number of times she hit a sour note on the fingers of one hand. Same when learning new material. But then again, she's an actual singer.
Beat me to it. I'd also like to add that when I was playing classical guitar seriously, I'd go through a 30 minute series of warmup exercises before I did anything else, and I certainly wasn't sloppy with my technique during them. Same with singing - if you're warming up to sing in tune, then you sing in tune.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 16:41:47
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Orbit might as well said that she is learning the song. Now I know it is hard to believe that if you do not know the song, that anyone may sing it in-correctly to begin with when you are uncomfortable with the song. I think the whole deal is mean-spirited in the end. Now listen to something good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qizNQKzatXA heh, heh
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2014/07/09 16:47:53
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 16:57:19
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spacealf Orbit might as well said that she is learning the song. Now I know it is hard to believe that if you do not know the song, that anyone may sing it in-correctly to begin with when you are uncomfortable with the song. I think the whole deal is mean-spirited in the end.
As I said, I've seen my wife learning new material - the music for the show underwent a practically complete rewrite in January, and a lot of it really was not written in her primary range and style (coloratura soprano). It wasn't easy, but she could sing it in tune. I think a lot of people misunderstand what being a singer really is, because we tend to think in terms of untrained pop singers. But there's as much difference between a singer and Spears as there is between a brain surgeon and a primitive tribe sorcerer. And in the case of Spears, not even a good sorcerer. And while I do agree that we tend to be mean, I think that it often comes as a reaction to the senseless adulation and adoration of often questionable talented people. Millions adore her and made her rich. She enjoys all the privilege of stardom. But there's another side to that coin. On the other hand, if she could carry a tune, at least she wouldn't have to worry about such things. By the way, I'd be the first to condemn personal attacks. But here, we're talking about her professional merits. There's no need to further lower the bar (if that's even possible) and to spare so-called singers who can't sing.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 17:41:49
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Exactly. And it bothers me that kids look up to these trashy prepackaged celebrity frauds.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 18:30:44
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sharke ...to suggest that the track was actually her warming up.
I've heard my wife warming up practically every day for 5 years and I can count the number of times she hit a sour note on the fingers of one hand. Same when learning new material. But then again, she's an actual singer.
I bet she probably wears underwear in public and doesn't go clubbing with useless people either.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 19:25:36
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I am not defending her, but in this video I only hear autotune in one place and it is short. I think if a singer sang that way all the time, she would have never made it in the first place. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZuxwVk7TU And don't sit there and tell me I can not hear autotune with what they did to correct her voice in the other video on that link. It is all over the place. Now, I do not listen to her music anyway, but then if other people are, you can complain all you want to, I think that they just do not care anyway. And I been around other females that sing that way but even better, and it just does not work in the end. Just do not believe everything that is on the Internet by a long shot.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 19:40:30
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If you were to hear the raw tracks of almost any modern day pop singer it would probably surprise you how "off pitch" they are. Not all by any means...Beyoncé and Lady Gaga come to mind as singers with great pitch...but many are simply adequate in the studio. And most are out sung by their own backup singers. Such is the technology of popular music "hit" recording. Even my own group of professional singer's original raw tracks sound markedly worse to my finished "tweaked" tracks. "Nothing is real...and nothing to get hung about".
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 20:33:58
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yorolpal If you were to hear the raw tracks of almost any modern day pop singer it would probably surprise you how "off pitch" they are. Not all by any means...Beyoncé and Lady Gaga come to mind as singers with great pitch...but many are simply adequate in the studio. And most are out sung by their own backup singers. Such is the technology of popular music "hit" recording. Even my own group of professional singer's original raw tracks sound markedly worse to my finished "tweaked" tracks. "Nothing is real...and nothing to get hung about".
We watched 20 Feet from Stardom a couple of weeks ago and it was appalling - but unsurprising - to hear that guy mention that studios now had a "tuning" budget. (How much talent in that movie! I had goosebumps for almost 2 hours...) Britney's show here in Vegas is regarded as a joke. Most of it is lip synched. By the way, I have to say that being constantly exposed to people who can actually sing, you do develop an unforgiving ear. Some of my old favorite singers I now can barely tolerate. I'm also starting to think that it's not my singing that's gotten worst - I've simply developed a much finer ear over the course of the last couple of years.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 20:53:44
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Loves me some britt. Who cares if she is pitchy, she has many great records. I like "piece of me". Of course, u need the videos to go with the song.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 21:28:20
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You are on the money Krist, ol pal. We've now been through well over ten years in the popular music business where perfect pitch is no longer a requirement to be promoted. And it shows...sort of. Real time pitch correction is only getting better. I'm afraid that soon the "consumer" not only won't be able to tell the difference...they will not have the capacity to either.
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Re: Boring forum? How about some Britney Spears pre-Autotune?
2014/07/09 22:04:26
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Karaoke night again and again. Who is promoting this venue? Next it is going to be autotune at karaoke night. No wonder the businesses are probably dying right now, and music is plunging to new depths. And I don't think that autotune can do the impossible or even that good without hearing it be on the song. Usually the ones using it are doing so on purpose and can sing on tune, as for an effect. Personally I think the others will just replace humans with robots that can sing with autotune. Then watch the flood of songs on the Internet, both by humans and robots. What a way to go!
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