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Help With Midi Prob?
I am a new Sonar user. I have been happily banging for the past week or so, had it all figured out to the degree that I could record tings and let that learning curve begin. I got up this morning and my midi tracks won't make a sound. They are there, the info is reaching the mixing board and registering but I cannot hear anything. Same thing goes for any attempt to add a midi track, no sound. I've been down the checklist of regular things to check and double check. If I have a personal weakness it is in the assigning of I/O to the track. I can get lost in that stuff if I step outside of rote instructions. I don't think I did anything other than the usual there though. I went to bed last night having just laid down an organ track. I got up this morning and the midi tracks, period, are being p7ssy...I don't understand. I must be missing something really obvious, could anyone lend a different perspective to my attempts? Right, I am running the latest iteration of Sonar X3 on an HP which does nothing but run the software. I made sure I had sufficient horsepower to do what I am doing on this computer. I also went in and deleted any background programs not critical to the machines own welfare. I am using W8 (not MkII, not the one with the shell to allow users to pretend they are still using W7). And lastly I have a cute little M-Audio M-Track as the interface. I use an old Yamaha kybd with midi capability to trigger my midi stuff...anything else? Hmmm, don't think so. I would be very appreciative if someone could lend a hand or an opinion or a new set of virtual eyes. Thanks, Dave
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 12:20:23
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What are you using to make a sound? What synth?
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 13:00:06
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got up this morning and my midi tracks won't make a sound. They are there, the info is reaching the mixing board and registering but I cannot hear anything. Same thing goes for any attempt to add a midi track, no sound. MIDI alone doesn't make any sounds. MIDI is just Data. You need something to read that MIDI Data and then make the sounds, like a soft synth. You need a synth or soft synth to interpret the MIDI Data and in return it make sounds from the MIDI Data. If you already configured a soft synth to read the MIDI Data in Sonar, then just make sure you have selected a patch or program in that synth or soft synth. You also need to check the routing form the MIDI track to the audio track that outputs the sounds from the soft synth. CJ
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 13:21:24
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yes, I understand the diff between reading the data and getting a device to interpret it as music. I am using an old Yamaha PSR E223 keyboard to make the midi data into sound. It's the routing that I am less than clear about but I thought I had things straight till this morning. I think I will seek out some sort of Dummy's Guide to routing, it's all I can think of to do right now.
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 13:23:53
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"You also need to check the routing form the MIDI track to the audio track that outputs the sounds from the soft synth." Hello, above could be key. This could be important because if for some reason Sonar did not see or if for some reason your midi configuration changed, your midi I/) may have been reassigned. Also check in "preferences" to see if your midi device is registered in Sonar. Lastly, Can you elaborate more on "the info is reaching the mixing board and registering but I cannot hear anything". IHTH.. thx
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 13:42:03
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Hi LunaTech, I am attempting to tell you all that my sound meters are showing the existing tracks that were recorded yesterday I don't have any sound though. I just had another long look and it occurred to me that the keyboard I am using is not listed under devices, just the M-Audio interface. How do I get the computer to see my kybd if it is not listed anywhere? I'm really getting confused now...all of this was working just fine 24 hours ago. How do I check whether or where the routing from midi to audio is please? D
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 13:55:20
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Check MIDI/Devices in Preferences. And in case you really use MIDI tracks with output to Microsoft GS Wavetable or such, you can consider to use some synth (Cakewalk TTS-1 for General MIDI).
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 14:01:23
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Hi, Not in front of my DAW but.... If you highlight a track with a midi instrument on it, that will bring into focus from the "Inspector" (Where the track information is generally on the left). IF this is a simple instument track, please note that toward the bottom there will be a split designating Audio/midi views. This is where you can check the midi routing. This can also be done from the console view by checking the track with the soft syth and reviewing the I/O. IF the Keyboard is not being listed in Preferencess/Midi Devices... I would suggest getting out of Sonar and checking to see if it is being seen by device manager. This can be accesses from control pane. Under sound devices (generally) this is where you should see your midi keyboard. Also check the physical connnections (midi or usb cable) to ensure nothing has somehow come loose or is making a partial connection. Still not clear on the "sound meters". Is this within Sonar? Or are they meters on the M-Audio. Are you saying that you see the information in the track, and the meters are moving when you hit play but you are not getting any sound?. If this is the condition.. Is everything silent including real instruments or vocals ( if recorded). Let us know... thx.
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 15:52:27
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Still not clear on the "sound meters". Is this within Sonar? Or are they meters on the M-Audio. Are you saying that you see the information in the track, and the meters are moving when you hit play but you are not getting any sound?. If this is the condition.. Is everything silent including real instruments or vocals ( if recorded). Let us know... thx.
Hi Luna Tech, That is the condition, as you have outlined it, with regard t midi, and yes other 'audio' source are fine and I am able to hear them. Even as you described the routing above I was remembering something I had to do a week or so back. What I wondered then, and I am wondering now, is why we have to go there and do. Thanks for your help. D
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 16:44:03
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It might help if you could describe the signal flow from beginning to end - keyboard to monitors without missing anything out and also distignuishing between Midi/Audio. What cables are connected to which in/out sockets
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 17:27:31
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Let's see if this works... Nope, no joy. Was hoping to put up a pic. In any event it's straightforward: Keybd to USB junction box to M-Audio M Track interface and to a USB port in the computer. The monitors also plug into the M-Audio box. The flow for the keybd is one way, towards the computer. Same goes for the monitors I guess. They are hooked into the M-Audio and then accessible from the computer and the DAW. D
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 18:15:20
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Keybd to USB junction box to M-Audio M Track interface and to a USB port in the computer. The monitors also plug into the M-Audio box. The flow for the keybd is one way, towards the computer. Same goes for the monitors I guess. They are hooked into the M-Audio and then accessible from the computer and the DAW. Im pretty sure Bristol wants you to be specific about your signal chain. You have not listed any MIDI channels and inputs for your midi and audio tracks. your MIDI set up in the Sonar Preferences. This all needs to be listed by you. Be very specific and leave out saying 'The flow for the keybd is one way, towards the computer." as thats doesn't tell us anything. You problem is user error, o if you tell us everything about your signal chain, we can tell you what you did wrong. CJ
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 18:24:03
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You need to insert a soft synth ,, you don't need to use the lame sounds of a Yamaha keyboard. Sonar comes with some very advanced midi sound modules. Most everyone new to DAW's goes through this Duhh, why didn't I see that faze. So go insert a soft synth, you'll see what we are talking about then. You can use your outboard sounds but that's actually more of a pain in the butt because it involves both midi and an audio connection. Then it involves things like local on/off and selecting channels. So If your set up is recording MIDI you are half way there. That part is good. Now just insert a soft synth and assign the midi track you recorded's output to the soft synth. If you can't figure out how to insert a soft synth after reading the help file topic, then ask and we'll guide you.
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 18:32:21
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Fair enough but it will wait till morning now. I at least recovered the ability to play midi instruments. Somewhere in the Sonar help files or on a forum like this one I read that I needed to check off the 'First Synth Audio Input' box when inserting a midi track. I went back to checking off the 'Simple Audio Instrument' box et voila! If I do not discover what I have done wrong in order to not be hearing midi output I will get back on in the AM and try to give a more specific picture of the signal chain. There are actually newbies like me out here who need to have this spelled out when we reach out to you. Ummm it would be for the same reason that we are reaching out. We don't know what we are doing. It's not like I don't know it's user error...just saying. I'm doing my best here and I genuinely appreciate any help I can get. Thanks, D
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 19:16:49
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I actually use soft synths Cactus Music. The Yamaha is merely a midi trigger in this instance. It's the soft synths I put up last night that I could not hear today. I am pretty sure it is something I have done (or undone), some puny little virtual switch or action. In any event I will try again in the AM and if I have no luck I will attempt to put together a more specific signal chain. Thanks, D
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Re: Help With Midi Prob?
2014/07/10 19:39:24
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I suggest getting a crash course in ASIO settings and try changing the latency settings. As a song grows the computer becomes more finicky about playing with certain latency settings. If nothing else has changed other than the song growing in tracks that is probably your problem. :)
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