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2014/07/12 14:40:09 (permalink)

Izotope Nectar Full Version Automation Issue

Can anyone with the full version of Nectar repro this issue? 
 
As a summary, automating the harmony bypass in Nectar doesn't seem to work properly, and behaves differently if the Nectar GUI is open vs. closed.
 
1.  Add Nectar (VST3) to an audio track
 
2.  Add an automation lane.  Select Harm:Bypass as the automation envelope (Harmony bypass.  The idea is to bypass during verse, add harmony during the chorus, for example.)
 
3.  Automate so that there are regions where the harmony is enabled, and others where it is disabled.
 
4.  Close the GUI for Nectar.  Play the project.  ISSUE1: automation is ignored.
 
5.  Open the GUI for Nectar.  Play the project.  ISSUE2: automation is now active, but audible pop during the transition from harmony enabled to disabled and vice-versa.
 
6.  Export the mix with GUI disabled:  No automation.
 
7.  Export the mix (fast bounce) with GUI open.  Watch GUI level meters and harmony automation indicator bounce around during the fast bounce (!) Automation works, but now the Nectar track is out of time with the rest of the project.  (No PDC or something?)
 
Not sure if this is a Nectar issue or a SONAR issue, but before I start sending in bug reports I thought I would see if anyone can repro.
 
Thanks,
 
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    Re: Izotope Nectar Full Version Automation Issue 2014/07/12 15:13:57 (permalink)
    X3E I assume?
    Do you get the same with VST2?

    Sorry I don't have the plugin but I'm sure others will comment shortly.

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    Re: Izotope Nectar Full Version Automation Issue 2014/07/12 15:35:28 (permalink)
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    X3E I assume?
    Do you get the same with VST2?

    Sorry I don't have the plugin but I'm sure others will comment shortly.

    Yes, X3E, thanks for the reminder, I updated my signature accordingly.
     
    Since VST3 has been working well for me I never installed the VST2 version.  Of course there are any number of workarounds for this, and I got the functionality working a different way, but if it's a real bug I'd like to report it to Cakewalk and Izotope.
     
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    Re: Izotope Nectar Full Version Automation Issue 2014/07/12 15:40:15 (permalink)
    Well you might want to have a go at VST 2. If VST 2 works and VST3 doesn't it would lean towards a Sonar issue in my view. Well hopefully others might give you feedback here first...

    I assume Nectar is fully patched up as well.

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    Re: Izotope Nectar Full Version Automation Issue 2014/07/12 16:10:35 (permalink)
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    Well you might want to have a go at VST 2. If VST 2 works and VST3 doesn't it would lean towards a Sonar issue in my view. Well hopefully others might give you feedback here first...

    I assume Nectar is fully patched up as well.

    Yep, just double-checked and 2.02 is the latest version. If I get some time I'll try the VST2 version and see if it works, good suggestion, thanks.

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    Re: Izotope Nectar Full Version Automation Issue 2014/07/13 01:50:19 (permalink)
    Please do report to Cakewalk and Izotope and have the issue fixed (if it's indeed a bug) because I'm thinking of buying Nectar and Alloy in the near future. 

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    Re: Izotope Nectar Full Version Automation Issue 2014/07/13 05:40:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CoteRotie 2014/07/13 13:57:04
    This is Nectar 2 Production Suite? I just tested all but the export functionality per the OP with that. Let me preface that I have not used the harmonizer much, and never automated it, as I typically clone tracks and use Melodyne Editor for this.
     
    1) When closing the GUI, the automations held for me, same as when open (VST3 version)... but note #3 below.
    2) Reopening the GUI did cause a "stutter" on playback... the "Pitch" module came on/off at the Harmonizer on/off points. ALL other modules were disabled for this test.
    3) Automation of the Harmonizer was not "on/off" as I could still hear "residual" harmony with using the automation in the disabled state. I am unclear how the automation for this works, as in SONAR it reads "true" (disabled) and "false" (enabled).
    4) I did not test the export functionality with this.
     
    I agree with Jlien X in that an official bug report to both Cakewalk and iZotope would be warranted. I can "sort of" verify the OP, but a "fix" lies with them.
     
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    Re: Izotope Nectar Full Version Automation Issue 2014/07/13 14:09:30 (permalink)
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    1) When closing the GUI, the automations held for me, same as when open (VST3 version)... but note #3 below.
    2) Reopening the GUI did cause a "stutter" on playback... the "Pitch" module came on/off at the Harmonizer on/off points. ALL other modules were disabled for this test.
    3) Automation of the Harmonizer was not "on/off" as I could still hear "residual" harmony with using the automation in the disabled state. I am unclear how the automation for this works, as in SONAR it reads "true" (disabled) and "false" (enabled).
    4) I did not test the export functionality with this.



    Thanks a lot for trying this.  I think I may have had the same issue, the "residual" harmony rather than the harmony being disabled completely.  
     
    I also use Melodyne or actual harmonies for final mixes, but for quick demos this method seemed promising.  I will file a bug report with both parties.
     
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    Re: Izotope Nectar Full Version Automation Issue 2014/07/13 14:40:27 (permalink)
    CWBRN-27299 reported to Cakewalk
    #KVL-22474-332 reported to Izotope

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    Re: Izotope Nectar Full Version Automation Issue 2014/07/13 18:22:23 (permalink)
    Not a problem. This actually got me to look at the harmonizer more, which actually has some slick features in it (and definitely quicker).

    I am not at my computer, so not sure if the main signal can be muted? I would prefer to use this feature as I do Melodyne, i.e. clone the vocal and cut all but the harmonized portions of the track. This "may" be a potential workaround, but muting that main signal would be necessary to be effective.

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    Re: Izotope Nectar Full Version Automation Issue 2014/07/13 22:03:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/07/15 03:24:57
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    Not a problem. This actually got me to look at the harmonizer more, which actually has some slick features in it (and definitely quicker).

    I am not at my computer, so not sure if the main signal can be muted? I would prefer to use this feature as I do Melodyne, i.e. clone the vocal and cut all but the harmonized portions of the track. This "may" be a potential workaround, but muting that main signal would be necessary to be effective.


    I haven't had a chance to try out automations with Nectar 2 yet. I'm too lazy for that.

    I do the approach above and it works great. I clone the original lead vocal track. Then on the cloned track ( the harmony track) I mute the lead vocal (which you can do in Nectar 2) and just get the harmonies when and how I like them, and at what mix volume etc. At least for harmonies this is just too easy to do to get motivated to work on automations. I can even use regular Sonar track and clip automations on the harmony track with this approach.

    I use a one-two punch on vocals per track. Melodyne to clean things up and get them solid as a pure vocal. Then I use Nectar 2 to apply all sorts of goodness. I dig this combo, all inserted so effortlessly into Sonar.

    I'll restate that. I often use a one-two-three punch, which is a knockout. First, Sonar X3 for comping and speed comping to get the right choice of expression / phrasing per a particular vocal track. Then Melodyne, then Nectar 2.

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    Re: Izotope Nectar Full Version Automation Issue 2014/07/15 03:41:22 (permalink)
    Thank you for the reply. The "Solo Voices" button in the Harmonizer was what I was thinking about, so lawajava's workflow is what I would default to as well (would be the quickest and easiest to adjust after the fact for me). It wasn't until this thread that I realized just how many automations can be assigned to Nectar 2 alone (pages of them!). I have only ever used them for big picture items rather than assign to a plugin, and could definitely see me confusing myself going overboard.

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