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Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
I would like to be able to setup my VU meters from Klanghelm to have certain default settings for the ballistics and color each time I add a new instance of them to Sonar. I'm told Reaper has this, but I've never heard of it in Sonar. I have to either change settings manually, or save a preset or pro channel insert.
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John T
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/14 16:52:50
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Sort of. Plugin settings are recalled when they're part of a project or track template. So no, you can't have a plugin use a default when you add it in the regular way, but you can keep preferred settings in your templates. I realise this doesn't cover all use cases, but it might help.
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/14 17:20:37
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Thanks John - I do that now and do a lot of moving/Ctrl+Moving. It would be so much easier to just load a plug with a set of defaults.
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/14 17:21:38
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Yeah, I agree. I wonder - can it be made to work if you wrap the plugin in an FX chain?
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/14 17:27:01
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2014/07/14 17:32:00
smallstonefan
I would like to be able to setup my VU meters from Klanghelm to have certain default settings for the ballistics and color each time I add a new instance of them to Sonar. I'm told Reaper has this, but I've never heard of it in Sonar. I have to either change settings manually, or save a preset or pro channel insert.
Yes you can. We have had this for quite some time but not many people know about it. Use the default presets option which is part of a plugin menu layout. To use it: 1. First insert the plugin of your choice and set it up as you want it 2. Save your default settings as a preset from the effects window. Call it "Default Settings" for clarity. 3. Go to the plugin browser 4. Select a custom plugin menu layout if you have one or one of the Cakewalk supplied ones 5. Open the plugin manager tool via the "Manage Layouts..." menu item from the plugin browser 6. In the layout plugins tree on the right find the plugin from step 1 7. Right click on the plugin name and choose "Properties..." 8. In the properties dialog choose "Default Settings" from the Default preset combo. 9. Click OK and resave the plugin menu layout you selected in 4. Now the next time you insert this plugin from the layout it will automatically load with the preset of your choice. This can be done independently in any plugin layout so you can have the same plugin load with different settings depending on the plugin layout. Its a pretty powerful feature. Also see this blog post.
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/14 17:28:51
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holy moly this is something everyone should know! I can't wait to get home and try it - THANKS Noel! :)
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/14 17:34:16
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/14 17:40:28
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Wow that's a good hidden "easter egg"  ... Like the scrub tool that one. Thanks that's really helpful...
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/14 18:15:45
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It's not the most intuitive thing to set up. Maybe it would be better if you could set it up directly from the plugin browser once a layout was selected, by right clicking the plugging entry...
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/14 18:35:55
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The most obvious implementation, I reckon, would be the ability to set it in the plugin container.
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/14 19:13:22
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Sounds like this needs to be included in my next Sonar column for Sound on Sound. Thanks, Noel!
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/14 19:42:13
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/14 21:15:48
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John T
The most obvious implementation, I reckon, would be the ability to set it in the plugin container.
The default preset is stored in the plugin menu xml. Once a plugin is inserted however, we have no idea where it came from so it wouldn't know how to save the default preset anymore. That's why its in the layout editor...
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/15 04:38:42
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Noel - I can't get this to work. Depending upon the plug-in in question, either there are no presets available in the pull-down in Properties (your step 8) and <none> is displayed, or there are presets available, but later when I instantiate the plug-in from that particular Plug-in Menu, the plug-in loads with whatever its regular default settings happen to be.
I assumed that "default settings" was an arbitrary name for the preset, but does it have to be so? Also, what folder location does the "default settings" preset have to be in before it appears in the Properties pull-down?
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/15 07:43:25
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If the layout editor doesn't see the preset then you are not saving a Cakewalk plugin preset. Make sure you are saving a preset from the toolbar at the top of the effects UI window, by typing in a name and clicking the save icon. i.e. the preset has to be a Cakewalk preset. If you save a preset from the plugin UI itself SONAR has no way of seeing the preset.
The name of the preset is arbitrary. You can name it anything you want.
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/15 13:52:48
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Noel - Thanks, but I am doing exactly what you say (I think!). To keep things simple, I am working with Channel Tools (as it already has Cakewalk presets). I select Increased Width preset in the Properties pull-down, then Save As ... and overwrite the menu in the Layout Editor. If at a later point, I re-open the same menu in the Layout Editor, I can see Increased Width displayed in the Properties pull-down. However, if I use that layout then to insert Channel Tools in, say, a Bus FX bin, the plug opens with "no preset" displayed in the header (and it certainly is not Increased Width by any other name, either).
I get exactly similar results with non-CW plugs, too.
Any clues, please?
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/15 15:00:02
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This didn't work for me at first either. I had to double-click in the name dropdown and it went editable. I entered the text for my name and clicked the Save icon. After that, the preset appeared properly in the templates editor and worked like a charm!  It's a bit of a convoluted process - if this could be integrated right into the plugin interface, you'd have a real winner! Put it in X4 and most people will think it's a new feature. ;)
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/15 15:48:37
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It didn't seem to work right for me at first either, I had to make sure I didn't forget a step.
I think there might be a simpler workflow for this and will post if successful.
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/15 16:02:33
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I have to re-iterate - this is an AWESOME hidden feature. It's already saving me a lot of time and frustration. I am using VUST VU meters before and after each plugin to get my metering right. Now the VU meter loads with my custom colors, peak and fall times, and with the hold needle visible. This was a pain in the ars before I learned this trick...
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/15 23:28:58
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You might find this workflow easier:
1. Insert the plug-in and set it up as desired.
2. Save your default settings as a preset from the effects window’s top toolbar: double-click in the preset name field, type in a name like “Default Settings,” then click on save (the floppy disk icon).
3. Choose Utilities > Cakewalk Plug-in Manager.
4. Call up a Layout File containing the plug-in whose default preset you want to load. Note that each plug-in can have different default presets in different layouts.
5. In the layout’s plug-in tree on the right, find the plug-in from step 1.
7. Right-click on the plug-in name and choose “Properties...”
8. In the properties dialog choose "Default Settings" from the Default Preset drop-down menu.
9. Click OK, then save the plug-in menu layout you selected in step 4. When that layout is open, the plug-in will open with the default preset when inserted.
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/17 12:11:49
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I'm pretty sure that I don't have issues with workflow, but this still does not work for me. When I examine Channel Tools in the Layout Editor, it says Default Preset = Increased Width. When I use that Layout to instantiate Channel Tools, the preset is not Increased Width.
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/17 12:25:18
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ChristopherM
I'm pretty sure that I don't have issues with workflow, but this still does not work for me. When I examine Channel Tools in the Layout Editor, it says Default Preset = Increased Width. When I use that Layout to instantiate Channel Tools, the preset is not Increased Width.
Sorry, I can't help...works every time for me. Are you sure you're not leaving out some step?
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/17 12:45:21
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Hmm ... I just meticulously followed Craig's recipe, using Voxengo SPAN 64-bit VST3, and it works exactly as expected. So I went back to Channel Tools and followed the recipe again equally meticulously. Guess what? It fails to work, exactly as I described in my earlier post. Why does a plug from a 3rd-party work, when one of Cake's doesn't?If only life were infinitely long, we'd have time to chase down all of these idiosyncrasies. But thanks to all for encouraging me to persist this far - with the method, I mean: not with life 
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/17 16:27:03
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I just tried making "Increased Width" the default Channel Tools preset, and it worked exactly as expected. Did you save the layout after selecting the preset in properties? Or if you want to get into corner case territory, are there somehow two versions of Channel Tools installed? (Yes, I know that's really reaching, but don't know what else to say given that I just tested it and it worked.)
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/17 20:25:29
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I remember this being mentioned some time back but hadn't thought to use it... I will now...
But I'm wondering if thers a way to do this for a ProChannel plugin as well? I rarely use any other plugins these days... ;-)
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/17 23:39:32
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Hmm ... I just meticulously followed Craig's recipe, using Voxengo SPAN 64-bit VST3, and it works exactly as expected. So I went back to Channel Tools and followed the recipe again equally meticulously. Guess what? It fails to work, exactly as I described in my earlier post. Why does a plug from a 3rd-party work, when one of Cake's doesn't? If only life were infinitely long, we'd have time to chase down all of these idiosyncrasies.
I just noticed that Channel Tools is available as a DirectX plug-in AND as a VST2 plug-in on my system. If both are on your system, maybe you're saving the preset in one version but calling up the other one.
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/17 23:42:49
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Keni
I remember this being mentioned some time back but hadn't thought to use it... I will now...
But I'm wondering if thers a way to do this for a ProChannel plugin as well? I rarely use any other plugins these days... ;-)
Keni
The closest I've been able to come is "Set Modules as Default for Tracks," but that doesn't save settings, just the modules and their order. [BTW just noticed you live in Willits. I lived in Redwood Valley for many years, and loved it there. I moved to Florida when the commute to Europe was getting out of hand...took me three hours just to drive to SFO!]
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/18 06:47:13
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Not for PC modules since they cannot reside in layouts. Not quite the same thing but you can save the entire prochannel strip as a preset and load that.
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/18 07:05:42
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Anderton
I just noticed that Channel Tools is available as a DirectX plug-in AND as a VST2 plug-in on my system. If both are on your system, maybe you're saving the preset in one version but calling up the other one.
Thanks Craig - There is no question that I am consistently using the VST2 version. The mystery is that "Increased Width" appears in Item Properties: Default Preset when I open Channel Tools entry in the particular Layout that I am using. So Sonar knows what I want. The preset exists, because I can select it manually with two clicks after Sonar has failed to do it automatically. As I said, life's too short to chase down all of the odd idiosyncrasies in software, so I'll just keep doing the extra two clicks. Thanks, nonetheless, for your efforts.
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Re: Is there a way to define a default setup for a plugin?
2014/07/18 12:15:58
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Zowie... I just happened upon this thread by accident. That feature is deserving of it's own sticky thread and/or inclusion into Dan's SONAR notes IMO. The newsletters would hit the broadest base, since not all users participate here regularly.
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