Committing Region FX

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2014/07/14 19:58:02 (permalink)

Committing Region FX

I recently used Melodyne to correct a couple of bass notes in a bass track (it worked wonderfully by the way). I used ARA and did the correction in line as a region FX... now, that it is done, I would like to commit the changes to the audio track so I can remove MELODYNE from being part of the project.  
 
I know I can export the audio and then re import the track and that MELODYNE will no longer be needed but I do assume there is a much more straight forward way to do this.
 
Can anyone help me with this?  I tried to read the MELODYNE Sonar FAQ and TIPS on the Celemony website, which did tell me about using the software as a ARA Region FX but it didn't mention how to commit the audio edit.
 
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    Anderton
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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/14 19:58:43 (permalink)
    Bounce to clip.

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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/14 20:21:57 (permalink)
    +1
    Do yourself a favour and clone the track first (then archive off the RegionFX Track). You never know you might need the RegionFX back one day.

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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/14 21:11:36 (permalink)
    Freeze the track. It gives you best of both worlds since you can unfreeze if you need to edit in Melodyne again.

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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/14 21:14:26 (permalink)
    Fear of commitment 

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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/14 21:26:24 (permalink)
    When using V Vocal... the original track was muted.  What's happening with Melodyne?  I don't seem to be able to find the original (and muted?).  Do I need to copy the track first, so one version is left unaltered, but still useable?  (say for like double tracking effects, etc)

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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/14 21:30:05 (permalink)
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    When using V Vocal... the original track was muted.  What's happening with Melodyne?  I don't seem to be able to find the original (and muted?).  Do I need to copy the track first, so one version is left unaltered, but still useable?  (say for like double tracking effects, etc)




    Yes. You need to create the copy yourself.

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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/14 21:32:13 (permalink)
    tank chew

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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/14 21:34:11 (permalink)
    We took out the the logic to save the original. If you need the original save a copy of your project :)
    Keeping the backup was confusing and caused a lot of problems when people tried to move the region fx clip.
    If you need the original clone the track. There is rarely a need to save a copy however since a region effect can easily be removed giving you back the original clip anyway.

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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/14 22:28:10 (permalink)
    OK thanks folks.  I did think we would have been a bit easier and automated but I get it... BOUNCE to CLIP seems like the best way to go.  In my case I moved 3 bass notes in one region and that was it but now MELODYNE needs to load when I load up the project.  This was easier then re-recording the bass part since I would have had to record the entire track again being that I cannot recreate the sound of the original room.  This was magical to me and now I know how to commit the audio.
     
    Appreciate all the suggestions,
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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/14 22:34:31 (permalink)
    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
    Freeze the track. It gives you best of both worlds since you can unfreeze if you need to edit in Melodyne again.


    Makes sense. I guess I have fear of freezing with RegionFX. I still back up the original before RegionFX gets anywhere near it. Not saying RegionFX is unreliable, I'm just easily scared.

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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/15 03:20:53 (permalink)
    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
    ... There is rarely a need to save a copy however since a region effect can easily be removed giving you back the original clip anyway.


    Is this only true if you "freeze" the track?
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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/15 04:12:17 (permalink)
    As far as I understand the original will still be available as an audio file in your audio folder. If you REALLY run into trouble you can import from there.
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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/15 05:57:02 (permalink)
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    Yes. You need to create the copy yourself.


    I also suggest you copy yourself. Then, if it doesn't work out, you can backup the version of yourself from before the change and not have any idea that you did anything. This does, of course, introduce the risk that you might keep trying it again and again and get stuck in an infinite loop. I once spent the whole of September like this.

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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/15 06:05:35 (permalink)
    You are saying I can melodyne myself? Great Scott!! Maybe I can use it on my posts...

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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/15 07:38:36 (permalink)
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    ... There is rarely a need to save a copy however since a region effect can easily be removed giving you back the original clip anyway.


    Is this only true if you "freeze" the track?
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    No it works like this. When you select a region and ARA'fy it, SONAR first bounces down that selection and turns it into an ARA clip. The ARA clip provides for the communications gateway to Melodyne. Now if you select the clip and break the ARA connection by removing Melodyne, what is left behind is the ORIGINAL bounced clip. i.e. the melodyne modifications are now lost. So going back to the original is essentially the same as removing melodyne. There is no need for extra copies in most cases.

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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/15 18:42:37 (permalink)
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    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
    ... There is rarely a need to save a copy however since a region effect can easily be removed giving you back the original clip anyway.


    Is this only true if you "freeze" the track?
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    No it works like this. When you select a region and ARA'fy it, SONAR first bounces down that selection and turns it into an ARA clip. The ARA clip provides for the communications gateway to Melodyne. Now if you select the clip and break the ARA connection by removing Melodyne, what is left behind is the ORIGINAL bounced clip. i.e. the melodyne modifications are now lost. So going back to the original is essentially the same as removing melodyne. There is no need for extra copies in most cases.


    Thanks! I just tried that on a song I'm working on and yes if I don't bounce to clips, I can easily restore it to the original sound by removing that Melodyne region.
     
    For some reason I had it in my head that you had to bounce the clip you've been editing with Melodyne before you can go on to another section of that track otherwise it wouldn't let you create another region. I was also concerned that if I exported that song to WAV, my edits would be lost if I didn't bounce to clips.
     
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    Re: Committing Region FX 2014/07/16 04:54:17 (permalink)
    I've been using bounce to clips too, but good tip Noel, using freeze makes sense.
     
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