How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ?

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2014/07/22 14:35:46 (permalink)

How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ?

Do you prefer Inline under-saddle pickups or pure micing techniques or even a combination of both.
What type of EQ do you prefer and in which software group ? ex: Shelving,parametric,Q ? Sonitus maybe ?
What effects do you use ?
Just trying to get some ideas on what more to try on my acoustic and although I get a really decent sound just wondering how all of the rest of you do it. Sorry if this has discussed in depth before.
 
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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/22 15:14:40 (permalink)
    I prefer the mic in the room and in front of the guitar about 12" or so. The pickups on acoustics are generally not very realistic so a good condenser mic, properly placed wins the day.  You need to experiment with placement to see what works best. 12" to 18" over the 12th fret is a good starting point for a single mic. Dual mics...also mic the body near the sound hole but not in too close.
     
    As far as EQ and compression, only use what you need. Nothing more, and nothing "just because"....
     
    FX.... nope. I will record it twice and pan it for a doubled thicker sound.
     
    That's "in a nut shell" on how I record acoustic.

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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/22 15:26:04 (permalink)
    Yep. I put the mic at the 12th fret also, and usually angled slightly towards the sound hole. As far as eq, I usually cut some of the mid around 800Hz or so, and an HP filter around 100Hz. I usually use the quad curve eq. I usually double track also, and maybe add a hint of reverb, depending on the song.
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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/22 15:54:06 (permalink)
    Under saddle as last resort.

    Two small diagram condensers is best. One for strings fingers and treble.
    One for bass, body sound.

    A well placed large diaphragm can work too. No phase problems that way.

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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/22 16:20:11 (permalink)
    Gonna have to try that with the condensor Not sure I can double track or do you guys mean clone track. This is a fingerpicking piece and I can get close but not sure how exact on a double track. Also do you use the Sonitus eq or do you use an external .
    What about a mic pre also or just straight up condensor.
    Certainly appreciate all the tips and will try all of them.

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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/22 16:33:15 (permalink)
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    Gonna have to try that with the condensor Not sure I can double track or do you guys mean clone track. This is a fingerpicking piece and I can get close but not sure how exact on a double track.


    You want a little difference between the two tracks. That's where the magic happens. You don't want it completely different, but just enough to make it sound big.
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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/22 17:05:13 (permalink)
    K thanks Leadfoot I'll experiment with it ! :)
     
    I may even post an mp3 and let you all tell what you think or what direction to go with it.

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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/22 18:23:08 (permalink)
    Good luck with it!
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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/22 19:41:41 (permalink)
    I spent a day positioning mics and settled on a single 57 at a 45 degree angle toward the sound hole from the bridge at about 8 in. However I got up at 3 am I think it was and ran direct into my audio interface and hit the play button. When I got up I compared what I had recorded during the day and that night and decided to go with the direct in cut. The mic version had more presence but the line in had a clean round tone. I put a doubler from the vocal strip I think and left it at that. If you want to hear it click on Songs and go to Every Breath You Take. The EQ is flat
     
    P.S. if I was going to just record strumming I'm sure I would use the mic.

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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/22 20:03:48 (permalink)
    "I spent a day positioning mics and settled on a single 57 at a 45 degree angle toward the sound hole from the bridge at about 8 in. "
     
    A 57 is not the right microphone for a clean guitar sound.  Micing an amp, sure, but not for acoustic.  Even a cheap MXL SDC would do a better job.   Use two, record stereo.

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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/22 20:39:10 (permalink)
    A 57 is not the right microphone for a clean guitar sound.  Micing an amp, sure, but not for acoustic
    Thanks for the input!
    I also have a bluebird cardioid capacitor microphone. I haven't used it on my acoustic guitars yet.

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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/22 21:01:11 (permalink)
    bayoubill
    A 57 is not the right microphone for a clean guitar sound.  Micing an amp, sure, but not for acoustic
    Thanks for the input!
    I also have a bluebird cardioid capacitor microphone. I haven't used it on my acoustic guitars yet.

    The Bluebird would be a much better choice.
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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/23 07:54:15 (permalink)
    Well you guys are amazing as 2 condensors and some eq are really the way to go. The difference in the condensor recording and inline is totally different and while my pickups are very good from the LR Boggs system in my Lerivee D3 the condensor is better and way less EQ involved and more true Acoustic sound. Guitarhacker and Leadffoot you guys are spot on and I did try everyones recommends but the 800hz eq is where it's at and leave everything else flat but I did have to boost those frequencies a tad at the 8oo hz spot and will try some different eq's when I get more time. The dual is gonna take some time and practise as this is a hard pice to get close to exact but I was able to capture the big huge sound and dynamics and my condensors are cheap MXL 2000. I'm really considering a good tube condensor and was leaning toward the Mojave MA-300 for about $1200 to use mainly as a vocal / Acoustic. Do you guys have a recommendation for a good mic at that price ? Also one more question is I was coming in at about -6db and is that good or should I be around 0 dB ? Just have to boost the eq output a little more. 
     
    Will do a mp-3 when I get it right. Thanks,
     
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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/23 08:39:56 (permalink)
    I've heard great things about the Mojave mics, especially the tube mics. I use an older sE tube condenser and also a RODE NT1-A, and have had good luck with both.
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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/23 08:42:22 (permalink)
    Oh, I forgot to say, coming in at -6db is fine.
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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/23 09:22:21 (permalink)
    I get pretty decent results using my "cheap" MXL 63m, recording my Larrivee.  The Larrivee sounds fantastic, so all I need to do is capture what I hear, cleanly.  I would start with a single condenser positioned as suggested above.  Small movements with the mic can make a big difference in tone.  Closer for more presence, further for more room.  Closer to the sound hole gives more bass or boominess.  Somewhere around the 12th fret is a good starting point, about 10-12" away.  Master one mic before moving on to 2, my opinion. 
     
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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/23 10:04:02 (permalink)
    Thanks again leadfoot and will likely get the Mojave very soon and I've even got some of the NOS Sylvania tubes for it I got a good deal on EBAY for. I repair and build Amps on the side so my tube fantasy's are out the roof lol.
     
    Mike keep up the great work and I really liked the sound you get on those Acoustic tracks. You have a Tom Petty feel to lots of your music. Thanks for the advice I do need to work on positioning for the rest of the week and time is always the issue when you work a full day. Seems like the night is over in a flash and this stuff eats up time like crazy. You guys are awesome and I thank you all !

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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/23 10:13:55 (permalink)
    Don't clone the track. Record it 2 different times in 2 tracks.....pan one right the other left. I tend to go 100% left and right respectively. Generally this is on the STRUMMED acoustic only. I try to get it as close to the same as I can knowing that there is ALWAYS going to be a difference and the result is a tight performance with a W I D E sound. All other instruments in the mix are closer to center and the mix sounds full as a result. The acoustics are generally mixed -12db or so... so they are not up in your face. They simply provide the ambiance needed. I do tend to scoop the mids out a bit depending on how it sounds to get it cleaner without the boxiness that acoustics like to produce.
     
    Most all of my music uses this if there's an acoustic guitar in it such as here>>>>  http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12024980
     
    The mic you buy will depend mainly on your budget and what you can afford.  I have a Rode NT-2A condenser that I use for just about everything and a dynamic SM-58 I use on cabinets.  For the low budget, a company called Gauge Microphones USA has very inexpensive but good mics. (Mail order/internet only)
     
    I would only use a built in pickup on stage to get the volume up and into the PA..... not so much in the studio. I have a guitar with a pizeo pickup in it and it works fine for stage and live performance where the sound quality isn't required to be perfect.

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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/23 10:41:11 (permalink)
    Thanks Guitarhacker I meant to tell you that I checked out lots of you're audio clips and liked them. I was playing Country (New Country) in a band before I decided to go all original but played lead so my Acoustic got used very little but I did find a really nice sound by running through my stack (processor) and using a PA Mic on the Acoustic at the same time but you really have to watch feedback and use the notch filter to avoid the feedback. Imo those Roland Acoustic Amps mic-ed are really nice and do a good close representation of Acoustics for live shows.
     
    This finger picking piece is very hard to duplicate because I'm not using a metronome and there is so much room for timing issues so I'll really have to use ques and headphones to try and do the best I can. It's fast and at times difficult with lots of movement and chord chorusing riffs. Also want to do a string change for the final production cut. The cleartones are really long lasting and beautiful toneful strings and they last way longer than the Martins I had on there before. Think that makes a big difference also in the mix. Will do the panning also and thanks and keep up the great Country.

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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/26 12:52:48 (permalink)

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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/27 11:33:19 (permalink)
    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr10/articles/acguitar.htm

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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/27 20:57:39 (permalink)
    Yes, lots of information. However, too long, didn't read. The M/S vid I posted, "I use!" Less filling, and tastes great :-) I use a Neumann U87AI as my figure 8 mic, and a Mojave Audio MA100 as the mid, through some nice pre-amps, and I am very happy with the results. 

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    Re: How Do You Record Acoustic Guitar ? 2014/07/29 11:21:25 (permalink)
    Leadfoot
    I've heard great things about the Mojave mics, especially the tube mics. I use an older sE tube condenser and also a RODE NT1-A, and have had good luck with both.



    I use the Mojave MA-200 and like it a lot - 12" out pointed at the 12th fret. I will on occasion add a mic at my ear and typically I also do a DI (typically I run both through a UA 4-710d). I keep the micced version 'clear' but I may mangle the DI quite a bit but keep it very very soft.
     
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