Wow...no new good music being made anymore...

I'll add this one for you Michael, the previews I've heard sound very good indeed;
 

jamesg1213
I'll add this one for you Michael, the previews I've heard sound very good indeed;
 

If this is the Bill Nelson from BeBop Deluxe, he has always been a fantastic guitarist!

There may be very little worth listening to coming out now, but I'm sure having fun "discovering" lots of bands that I had never heard of.  When I find one I really like, I don't have to wait a couple of years for them to create a second album, most already have plenty out (some even have dozens!). 
 
Right now, Eloy has been one of my favorites.

Heh, this thread has me listening to Custom Deluxe right now (Bill Nelson). 

jamesg1213
Yes it is Pedro. He's one of favourite players, and has around 50 solo albums out.

I still remember, very fondly, "Sunburst Finish" as a fabulous album that got me into that band when it came out.
 
At the time, between hearing him, Phil Manzanera, Roye Albrighton, Deke Leonard/Mickie Jones, John Weinzierl, David Allen (Carmen) .... it was a really special, wild and far out time! Not to mention 10CC!
 
RUBBER BULLETS!
 
(I mushmuch preferred the HOTLEGS album, btw!)

Personally, it's not so much the music as the production and mastering that killed my interest. I can think of a couple of recent albums which I would like but just can't suffer through because of brickwall limiting.  That and auto-tuned/pitch-shifted harmonies, which completely ruin my fun.
 
At one point, I started wondering if we weren't just made to consume as much music as possible - as if we needed to discover new artists by the dozen every month, and again the next month, and again...
 
I'd rather discover one album that I really like, old or new, and appreciate it. This year, I finally "got" Rush, the Allman Brothers, Lynyrd Skynyrd... I also got my first real taste of Blue Oyster Cult. 
 
My favorite recent album though is the CD of the music "The Book of Mormon". It's been 3 weeks since we saw the show and my wife and I can't seem to get enough - every time we take the car, we have to listen to the album.
 
Not only is it the funniest thing in the Alpha Quadrant, ever, but it has dynamics AND people who actually can sing. 
 
On the other hand, the new Ace Frehley album is coming out in August - having heard the single, I can already tell that this would have been an album I would have liked. But, brickwall limiting...
 
 

Not new...but it seems to have slipped under the radar of many rock and rollers...
I like their version of "Man Of Constant Sorrow" ...just some good modern rock to enjoy IMO.
 
 

Moshkiae

Rain
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Personally, it's not so much the music as the production and mastering that killed my interest. I can think of a couple of recent albums which I would like but just can't suffer through because of brickwall limiting.  ...

You are a person that PLAYS music, and you have a good sense for it. Why would you be concerned and worried about the production/process in this situation, unless the music itself was not worth the discussion?
 
All it tells me is that the music is not worth listening to! Some of the old bootlegs and all that had bad this and that too! Some of the old bands did, too! But the music stood out so much that you forgot about the bit and piece that made it sound bad! But those Led Zeppelin bootlegs are still ... the best set of concerts EVER done in rock music!
 
Is it OK for me to suggest that as a musician you might want to stay "inside the music" ... and then later as a producer, you can go "outside the music"? Commenting on someone else's at that point is kinda strange ... it doesn't help anyone go listen to that music for its value. I completely lost interest in that piece if you mentioned it!

You'd understand what he's referring to if those Zep bootlegs were mastered and squashed into the ground until they had no headroom Pedro.  The original stuff may have sounded great, but this new rubbish of having everything loud kills it.

 
Eric Johnson Live Europe:
 
http://www.premierguitar....c-johnsons-europe-live

craigb
 
You'd understand what he's referring to if those Zep bootlegs were mastered and squashed into the ground until they had no headroom Pedro.  The original stuff may have sounded great, but this new rubbish of having everything loud kills it.

Exactly!! (and thanks for the suggestions I'll check these out). :)
 
I mentioned it a few times - I have no problem with relatively poor production when I enjoy the music. Which is why I can listen to The Beatles in Hamburg, or poorly produced records like KISS' Hotter Than Hell, or Sabbath's Born Again. Heck, I spent the best of the last decade listening to indie/self-produced acts.
 
Which is why I insist on mentioning albums that I KNOW I would like - I'm a lifelong fan of Ace Frehley, and as far as I'm concerned, his last album and the upcoming one are the best thing he's done as a solo artist.
 
There's some absolutely killer old-school, Les Paul through Marshall type of tones on his last one - but mastering just ruined it and I get ear fatigue. It's got NOTHING to do with the music.
 
That's one example out of dozens. 
 
So for all the bad music out there, there IS some good music - unfortunately, a lot of it is butchered at mastering. In the end, I only have so much time left in front of me and I'd hate to waste it searching for that one in a million new album that I like when there are tons of classics I have yet to discover - including a few bootlegs. 
 
 

Not sure if this qualifies as strictly a "Remaster", but I liked the Remaster/Rework of Let It Be-Naked, better than the Phil Spector wall of strings version.

Hi,
 
Bootlegs?
 
Some that I have heard over the years, although this was way before I cam up to the Pacific Northwest where the majority of these is now difficult to find, specially since that one neat record store closed about 10 years ago on Stark.
 
The Beatles - Christmas Shows (7 of them!) - Fabulous quality and recorded directly off the BBC air.
 
The Beatles - Live in Hamburg - It's not great, but it tells you how much this band improved and you can hear things that showed up way later! It also makes "Let It Be" almost a left over album with the stuff they had left behind!
 
Pink Floyd - There are 2 albums that are around the Atom Heart Mother era, that came out on a label called "Wizardo". It was very good.
 
Pink Floyd - There are three bootlegs that came out BEFORE the release of DSOTM, that had them playing the full DSOTM before the album. In those albums, the "greatest gig in the sky" was Syd Barrett as a priest doing what sounded like various sermons, with some of his very famous lines all over it. "... people have stood, and cheered, something they did not understand!"  This is important, only for one reason. When DSOTM came out, this was removed and what they did was "better" and more enjoyable, no doubt about that at ALL! However, AFTER, the album came out, the new bootlegs had some new material that was not there before, and they were "Raving and Drooling" and "Gotta be Crazy", and one other piece that was not clear what its title was. Here is where my theory came up about the "next" PF album. They already had the next album with the pieces they were already playing. But I think that the record company wanted something closer to DSOTM, and the new material was way out there away from it. "WYWH" was created, with the 2 nasty pieces against the record company (Welcome to the Machine and Have a Cigar), and the rest almost a copy of the previous album. While I still like WYWH, it is not as good as the "original", which was much more interesting and a lot less "radio" oriented.
 
Led Zeppelin - Bonzo's Birthday Party/Live on Blueberry Hill/ and one more whose name I forget. These 3 albums were from a series of concerts in Los Angeles, and for my tastes, still the best concert I have ever heard in my life, when it comes to energy, and non stop insanity! It's like they could go on and on and on, and just rip your heart in pieces! Absolutely fabulous, although the story is that Bonzo did not play drums for almost half of the Birthday Party show, if that is the same one.
 
Bob Dylan - The original "basement tapes", which were, for a long time, a series of 3 LP's. Not sure what the big brouhaha was here, but I believe it has to do with the fact that Bob gets tired of the same thing over and over again, and has a habit of changing lyrics and pieces on stage! I have not given these a good listen at all, but was once told that they rival'd "Blonde on Blonde" in energy and work.
 
Genesis - I had 2 of these at one time, and they were not very good. They were BEFORE "SEBTP" and I thought they were very poor specially compared to the Live album that had been released almost a year before and was only available as an IMPORT.
 
Bonzo Dog Doodah Band - To my knowledge there is only one of these and it is a compilation of various pieces and nicks and knacks and not quite a concert album. But it has one piece in it that shows a lot about the Bonzoes and where they came from and what "arts" and other various paraphernalia they partook in! The song "We're Normal" had its lyrics taken from the play "Marat/Sade" on West End at the time. It's incredibly anti-establishment subject and the show itself, was huge in many ways, specially artistically, and it influenced more than just one song in London!
 
The Doors - None of "The Doors" bootlegs I have ever heard (about 4 of them), had anything better or worth discussing. Ray Manzarek brought out stuff in "An American Prayer" right after Jim passed away and while it's difficult to believe that there was no more, the likelihood is that there was a lot, but none of it made sense or could be used anywhere in a format that anyone could appreciate. The likelihood is that there still are many poems that might not have music behind it, but the rock music world could never imagine a real poet ... only a rock star. And that would be a concern, from an artistic point of view about the folks around them, who were not intelligent, or smart enough to know better. But it is also likely that there was nothing else.
 
Chicago - In the early days, Chicago also did long cuts in concert. However, these were always cleaned out, LATER, when they had too many "hits" already, and the band lost its touch when it came to the music itself, instead of the song. One bootleg, had "I'm a Man" on one side (20 some minutes0, and another long piece on the other side. I can not tell you the name of this bootleg at all, and I have never seen it after I heard it in Madison.
 
Richard and Linda Thompson - Live (More or Less). This came out, later, as an LP. However it was a mess, other than the two long cuts, "Calvary Cross" and "Night Comes In" which were both unbelievably fabulous with one of the most beautiful bass guitar jobs ever done, by Dave Pegg of Fairport Concention. This album is not available as a CD, although it is supposedly found in other albums, though I have never found it, and I have 13 RT albums, 9 FC albums, 4 SD albums and 2 LT albums!
 
(and lastly!!!)
 
The Beatles - "Let it Be". There were over 10 bootlegs that were around this film and material. Why so many is weird, and strange, but there were so many other things mixed in to those albums that made one think that there was more to the "Let It Be" thing, than the eventual fight in the end, that makes it look like the Beatles were done, which of course, you could tell by their concert in the roof, that they still had the music in them, and then some! But the external crap around it was down right weird. Here's a short list:
 
1. Peter Cook and Dudley Moore
2. Peter Sellers
3. Magic Christian Soundtrack and other film out takes
4. Beatles Christmas shows bits and pieces (Besame Mucho for example)
5. Several versions of "Across the Universe", including the famous version with the guitat not quite in tune with the song.
6. The medley with (what's his name that played the organ!!!) is much longer, than what ended up in the film.
7. A couple of outtakes that were a part of "Tonite We All Love in London"
 
While all of these could be just a funny bit, and nothing more, it is hard to not believe there was a connection and that someone was just putting fun stuff together for your entertainment and mine!
 
I heard other bootlegs, Alice Cooper, Spooky Tooth, Iron Butterfly, Santana, Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead (still the biggest seller of boots ever, at the time!), and I never really thought that any of them were that big a deal, except the GD stuff. Those long cuts never ended up on an LP, and no one ever heard where the "long cut" in rock music came from!
 
Sorry to take away from the main thread ... but none of these bootlegs would I want to hear remastered, other than ... possibly ... some of the really neat versions of "Atom Heart Mother" - like the lullaby one used for the ballet, and other things, but I think that's a one off bit of weirdness but it was really pretty, and almost ALL of it, Richard Wright, though Roger and David did some nice lullaby vocals instead of lyrics. 
 
 

In related news, Beagle no longer has a bootleg.

 
I'd never heard of Dragonforce until their video for Operation Ground And Pound appeared on a freebie DVD I got from a magazine.
 
Now I've got all their albums, and there's another being released next month. Great stuff.
 
Mind you, I've never quite understood the significance in the enormous flying penises in the vid...
 

 

SteveStrummerUK
 
 
Mind you, I've never quite understood the significance in the enormous flying penises in the vid...
 

Well they have to get the band in somewhere...