What defines the end to Sonar?

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2014/07/20 13:23:45 (permalink)

What defines the end to Sonar?

I've got one song and one song only, that doesn't stop at the last event. The cursor keeps going forever - just curious, what does Sonar understand to be the end?
 
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    azslow3
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/20 14:30:10 (permalink)

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    revnice1
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/20 14:39:42 (permalink)
    Interesting thread but no solution. I don't have data beyond the end, I don't have empty MIDI clips beyond the end, FX tails wouldn't last forever and a Global setting should apply to all songs.
     
    On Stop it does return to the original cursor position so it's not a big deal. Maybe invisible data is still flowing - like a CC that's unassigned but still qualifies as data received or maybe Sonar fails to see note-off for the last MIDI note?
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/21 11:46:56 (permalink)
    I've also found that having ANY midi clip MUTED, will prevent 8.5.3 from stopping.
     
    Do you perhaps have any muted clips?
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/21 11:51:40 (permalink)
    That's normal for all my songs that I create. What I usually do is just create loop points in the timeline to keep it from going on forever.
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/21 11:56:45 (permalink)
    Ah Ha!
     
    Yes, there is always at least one muted MIDI clip in any of my songs so I'll check that - but why is only one song misbehaving? It seems to imply more than one condition, a muted MIDI clip WITH something else.
     
    I can see that a muted MIDI (not an Archived clip) with data would prevent Stop at End, because the data is still being processed but it shouldn't be an issue if the clip has no data past the end. Curious.
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/21 12:20:35 (permalink)
    I find that Sonar keeps going even on projects without MIDI. A lot of my projects are audio only with no MIDI tracks but Sonar will keep playing after all of the audio tracks have stopped. 

      
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/21 13:10:43 (permalink)
    Baffling. A Global setting should be just that - and a bug with a Global setting should be consistent too...
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/21 14:25:06 (permalink)
    If you have audio tracks only and Sonar keeps going, then there is something there. Get to the end point you want, highlight all the tracks and to the end of wherever it is by the From Now Thru End - and Delete everything using Edit and hole left by whatever it is.
    I bet the cursor will not keep going after that when saving and playing the song again.
    I bet it even works for Midi tracks also.
    No, there is something there, something did not get deleted.
     
     
     

     
     
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/23 02:43:27 (permalink)
    In X series go to Track View - Options - Stop at Project End. There must be a similar setting in previous versions.
     
    From link above:
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/1978814
     
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/23 03:03:22 (permalink)
    spacealf
    If you have audio tracks only and Sonar keeps going, then there is something there. Get to the end point you want, highlight all the tracks and to the end of wherever it is by the From Now Thru End - and Delete everything using Edit and hole left by whatever it is.
    I bet the cursor will not keep going after that when saving and playing the song again.
    I bet it even works for Midi tracks also.
    No, there is something there, something did not get deleted.
     

     
    Of course, the first thing I checked was for something there.  
     
    These are tracks that were recorded live, and when they end there is nothing there, nothing that was recorded past the track endings. Yet Sonar just keeps going until I stop it.

      
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/23 11:38:12 (permalink)
    >In X series go to Track View - Options - Stop at Project End. There must be a similar setting in previous versions.
    There is. Options > Global > General > Stop at Project End.
     
    I think we're discussing why that instruction doesn't always work.
     
    I don't agree with Space (above) that there's something there, even though that sounds like an obvious one. If I leave the song running, the cursor would travel thousands of measures!
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/24 01:53:33 (permalink)
    Sorry, missed the part about "one song only".
     
    To answer the original question, the last bit of data in a project (audio, midi note, controller, automation, loop points, etc.) defines the end. If Options > Global > General > Stop at Project End is checked then Sonar should stop at the last one of these. If it is NOT checked then Sonar will ignore these and keep going.
     
    If the setting IS checked and the Now Time Line keeps moving then the Project in question could be corrupt. I am always ending up with corrupt projects that behave oddly.
     
    Try dragging the audio to your desktop, then create a new project and drag them into it. Check that Options > Global > General > Stop at Project End is checked and see what happens.
     
     
    post edited by soens - 2014/07/24 02:00:56
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/24 02:15:05 (permalink)
    Put a midi event such as a note somewhere just past the end of the audio and see.if that works to stop Sonar.

    I have this same problem. I always thought it was just me forgetting something at the end.

    But even if I do a select/delete ay the very end it still just keeps.going.

    I have walked away thinking it would stop when it came the the end, but like op, thousands of measures later it's still going.

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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/24 02:28:37 (permalink)
    soens
    Sorry, missed the part about "one song only".
     
    To answer the original question, the last bit of data in a project (audio, midi note, controller, automation, loop points, etc.) defines the end. If Options > Global > General > Stop at Project End is checked then Sonar should stop at the last one of these. 

     
    What version of Sonar are you referring to? X2 does not have a Global selection under Options.
     

      
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/24 02:46:50 (permalink)
    Press "P" for preferences and look there.

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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/24 03:16:20 (permalink)
    Grem
    Press "P" for preferences and look there.



    Did that before I posted. Not seeing a General or Global section and can't find an option to set Project End. 

      
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/24 07:52:38 (permalink)
    There will always be SOMEthing on the timeline which Sonar interprets as the "end" of the song (the muted Midi clips problem aside)
     
    Look for:
    Tempo changes
    Meter/Key changes
    Envelope nodes
    Hidden tracks/busses
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/24 14:41:33 (permalink)
    Ruben:
     
    We're talking about Sonar 8.5.3, soens just happened to mention where cursor behavior options are found in X2.
     
    There is no 'Set Project End' in either version but there is an option for the cursor to Stop at Project End. That's found under Options > Global > General Tab. That doesn't fix my one rebellious song but it might be the answer for others.
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    Re: What defines the end to Sonar? 2014/07/24 15:02:28 (permalink)
    Thanks for the clarification.

      
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