yorolpal
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Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned to..
I was trying to record a vocal today on a bare un-effected track but as soon as the record arm button was clicked I was getting delay from a completely different track on a completely different buss. No effects assigned to either the vocal track or the vocal buss OR THE MASTER buss. I even inserted a brand new audio track and re-set all the proper routing up. Same thing on it too. Only way to record the vocal was to mute all fx in the project. Your thoughts?
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Anderton
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/23 19:04:18
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Hidden bus in track manager?
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yorolpal
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/23 20:47:41
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Nope...but good guess Craig.
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/23 20:52:34
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Not much info to go on. When you say delay, do you mean like a single echo? Or with feedback? Can you hear the dry vocal, or only with echo? Are you using plug-ins with a look-ahead?
Click the PDC button then click it again, and report back. Also, check for poltergeists.
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yorolpal
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/23 23:14:27
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Nope, it's from a guitar track using Echo Boy...which is on it's own "guitar track" and bussed to the Guitar Buss. This I found out by painstakingly turning off effects until I found the offending culprit. Why it's feeding any and every vocal track, all of which are bussed to the Vocal Buss is a mystery.
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/24 09:44:25
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Check and double check the 'Echo boy' effect and see if there are any routing possibilities that will enable it to make it self seen by the other tracks. Also, Double and triple check your Entire signal chain.
CJ
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/24 10:40:19
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Think of it this way. If you wanted this routing and did a post asking how you could create this routing in Sonar, you would get a bunch of replies saying it's impossible - DAWs just aren't wired that way. Maybe it's the mixer apple that comes with your interface doing some routing on its own? Sidechaining something by accident?
If you can't find the anomaly, I'd suggest is starting a new project, re-creating the existing setup, and testing it with a loop piece of audio or whatever until the problem happens so you find out what was added to create the problem.
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/24 11:28:05
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I did create a new project and have no such anomaly in it. Echo Boy has no such routing going on. This certainly isn't the first or only time that "crazy" stuff has just cropped up in Sonar. And, I'm sure, it won't be the last. The offending FX aren't "going to tape" so once I did record a vocal track it was fine. But If I arm any audio track that is routed to the vocal buss it gets the Echo Boy treatment. Go figure.
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/25 06:57:59
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Something similar happened to me yesterday...
I had a send on two of my gtr tracks going to a bus with an ambience verb.
I turned off the sends to the bus but I was still getting an ambience verb with my guitar.
Turns out that somehow the sends got duplicated and I actually had two sends on each track feeding the bus (hard to tell how many sends you have going on in track view...)
Once I deleted send number 2, all was well again!
Don't know if I hit a hot key or something or how it happened but I now know to look for that...
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/25 07:17:26
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Iv'e had very odd behaviour happen between tracks and busses,one of which is the before talked about phasiness,or polarity weirdness if using waves Kramer Tape on both a track and a buss simultaneously,which is now a big no no.
I just have the feeling that Sonar is packed to the gills with so much stuff,that sometimes odd things are just bound to happen,though I'm certainly only guessing on this.
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/25 08:18:45
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Is the input of the guitar track different from the input of the vocal track?
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/25 10:51:45
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bobguitkillerleft
Iv'e had very odd behaviour happen between tracks and busses,one of which is the before talked about phasiness,or polarity weirdness if using waves Kramer Tape on both a track and a buss simultaneously,which is now a big no no.
Path Delay Compensation doesn't fix this?
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/25 10:55:50
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bobguitkillerleft
Iv'e had very odd behaviour happen between tracks and busses,one of which is the before talked about phasiness,or polarity weirdness if using waves Kramer Tape on both a track and a buss simultaneously,which is now a big no no.
I just have the feeling that Sonar is packed to the gills with so much stuff,that sometimes odd things are just bound to happen,though I'm certainly only guessing on this.
I've had similar things happen when sending tracks to a bus with Waves Aphex on it, and also a dry bass track feeding a bus with a bass amp sim. But in my case, the phased sound would happen after the first iteration of a loop, and would continue until I closed the project and launched it again. I haven't seen it for ages though.
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/25 14:54:35
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Iv'e had very odd behaviour happen between tracks and busses,one of which is the before talked about phasiness,or polarity weirdness if using waves Kramer Tape on both a track and a buss simultaneously,which is now a big no no.
Path Delay Compensation doesn't fix this?
Sorry.I was away there doing other stuff [SONAR yay!] well Craig sir,I always thought PDC stood for "Plugin" Delay Compensation,but no nothing seems to fix this odd change[like you guessed it! it sounds"out of phase"]though it is particularly noticeable with Waves Kramer Master Tape,also another far more experienced Sonar X series user "Zo"-he is a teacher at Paris's SAE,has noticed it also[if I'm not mistaken...all apologies if I am ]and mentioned it during one of his YouTube videos I think? It seems less apparent most of the time with other brands/coders plugins,and sometimes a reboot will help overcome the worse cases sometimes,but I've been under the impression for a while now it was just a SONAR X foible,or trait,so I just use a workaround of trying not to have identical plugs and their settings on both Tracks AND Busses which usually shouldn't be necessary anyway. I have indeed toggled the PDC button every time,without change sometimes,but then sometimes like the reboot,it will fix it or at the very least lessen my perception of the Phase quirk,or I just only use THAT plug,on either a track or a buss instead,which 9 times out of 10 pulls everything back to what I think it should sound like,though I would not be too surprised if some of my tracks still exhibit phase or polarity issues being that I'm only a vet "playing"guitar not so much recording it,especially digitally.Bob Ps something went weird with the font size there,we're having a particularly cold winter[for here] and the ADSL has been playing up no end! Yes Sharke Aphex is another culprit,but I'm still experiencing it.
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/25 19:32:47
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bobguitkillerleft
I was away there doing other stuff [SONAR yay!] well Craig sir,I always thought PDC stood for "Plugin" Delay Compensation
You are correct, sir  . Path Delay Compensation is a common network term, which I transferred mentally over to Sonar. But in a DAW, the context is indeed plug-in delay compensation.
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/26 13:46:45
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I have some stuff going on when soloing a track (should only hear that track) but sends that are prefader(s) still go to their busses.... two choices, MUTE the BUSSes or TURN off the pre fader sends Real PITA.
This drives me nuts sometimes.
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Re: Effects showing up on tracks with no effects in the bin or the buss they are assigned
2014/07/26 18:14:39
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1) Busses are notorious for becoming corrupt like that. Sometimes replacing it with a new one and deleting the old one helps.
2) Next time try just muting the offending bus instead of all the FXs.
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