SampleTank3 - not happy in Sonar?

I just bought the new SampleTank3 and now feeling it was a very poor move.  It doesn't play nicely in Sonar at all.  Clicking on a note in PRV with ST3 in place causes the note to go into MIDI feedback, (or the note sample holds for no apparent reason).  When playing a simple sequence of notes some play, some don't. This is random, i.e. when I replay, notes that were silent now sound and vice versa. Those that don't play show on the track meter as playing. Odd. I've experimented with changing latency (ASIO drivers, Hammerfall interface) to no avail. I don't get such behaviour with any other application like this, e.g. Halion Sonic.
 
Has anyone else bought/upgraded to SampleTank3 and found everything ok? if so, what could I be missing here?
 
Edit: Just tried it in Studio One 2 and it works perfectly...

Thanks Dean.
Hrmph. You'd think they'd have tested it with all major DAWs; it's been long enough in the gestation.
I've raised a ticket with IK. I'll post anything of interest.
 
John

I get this clicking on a note sustains forever behavior with the VST3 ST3, but VST2 works fine.

Yeah, it looks like (at least for me) the problems only exist in the vst3 version. Like Drew, I'm not getting the PRV sustain problem, and I'm not seeing dropped MIDI either.
 
Dean

I switched to vst (removed vst3) for now and the problem went away.

kitekrazy Same here.  When I freeze the track sounds reappear.

 
VST3 or VST2?

I came here to see if other people have similar issues with X3 + ST3. Well, it seems so...
 
Let's hope they figure it out. In the meantime it seems using VST 2 is the workaround for now. I thought I was clever and decided to skip installing the VST 2 version and go straight for the VST 3 version...

jude77
@tmossman:
How did you remove vst3?  I'm getting crashes using it. 
 
On the other hand I think the new sounds in ST3 are quite good!!

 Find the vst3 dll. (Mine was in C/Program Files/Common Files/VST3). Rename it (I added .bak to the end). Run the install again if you didn't select vst to install the first time. Rescan your plugins.

ST 2 wasn't my cup of tea, I don't expect ST 3 to be any better..... I know it is expensive relative to ST but KONTAKT is my goto RAMPLER.... great engine, great scripts and oh so many sample libraries.
 
Jim
 
 

I get better results after I installed the VST2 version.
I had a response from IK Support this morning saying:-
 
"All of the issues being reported in the forums are being fed back to our Development team so that they can be incorporated in the next maintenance release. They are trying to correct these issues as quickly as possible."
 
 
That's probably some weeks away, so using the VST2 version for now is the only route.

Dropped the VST3 and all is well! Hopefully the first update will be here soon.

After an easy install, had issues with the standalone version - got a fix for that after I had found the solution on IK's Forum.
However, ST3/VST3 plug-in does not work (as many have stated here), but VST2 does.  It's like there's no "note off" messages being sent around when using an external kybd (akin to keeping the pedal down all the time).  But you cannot play the same note after the first time it "jams".  Weird.
As someone pointed out, it seems to work okay in Studio One (or whatever), so I'm wondering if it's not a Cake VST3 issue ...
Anyway, have opened a ticket with IKMM.

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@cecilius2
 

cecelius2

SONARtist
After an easy install, had issues with the standalone version - got a fix for that after I had found the solution on IK's Forum.

Could you post a link here to the fix page you mention on the IKMforum?  I want to make sure that I have it correct.  The only thing I saw over at the IKM forum was to use the asio4all drivers first.  A link to the fix would be helpful.  Thanks.

Disclaimer: Before anyone acts on the following, please note that I do not take any responsibility for any actions you take in trying this fix, that may lead to the incorrect working of SONAR, SampleTank, etc.  PLEASE MAKE A BACKUP OF YOUR "SampleTank 3.settings" FILE BEFOREHAND - just in case.
 
Basically, I had issues with the ST3 standalone crashing when opening the app.  My ASIO system (SSL Soundscape MADIXtreme) was not recognised.  Although I saw the ASIO4ALL solution, I did not use this, but it seems to have worked for some ...
 
This is the answer I got directly from IK, and which was posted beforehand on the IK Forum (Thanks to Robert Stallard) :-
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- 1 - Navigate to and open the "SampleTank 3.settings" file in a text editor:

    C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\IK Multimedia\SampleTank 3\SampleTank 3.settings

    To open this file, right-click on it and select "Open with..." from the context menu and choose your text editor.


- 2 - Edit the audio device settings as follows:

    The file contains the following XML code (or something similar):

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        <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

        <PROPERTIES>
          <VALUE name="audioDeviceState">
            <DEVICESETUP deviceType="ASIO" audioOutputDeviceName="" audioInputDeviceName="">
              <MIDIINPUT name="MIDI (Lynx L22)"/>
            </DEVICESETUP>
          </VALUE>
          <VALUE name="midiIsAny" val="0"/>
        </PROPERTIES>

    Note that the settings for "audioOutputDeviceName" and "audioInputDeviceName" are empty. Enter the name for your corresponding ASIO audio interface within the quotes following each setting, as follows (in my case, my audio device is "LYNX L22):

   
        <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

        <PROPERTIES>
          <VALUE name="audioDeviceState">
            <DEVICESETUP deviceType="ASIO" audioOutputDeviceName="Lynx L22" audioInputDeviceName="Lynx L22">
              <MIDIINPUT name="MIDI (Lynx L22)"/>
            </DEVICESETUP>
          </VALUE>
          <VALUE name="midiIsAny" val="0"/>
        </PROPERTIES>

To find your audio device name, open your ASIO driver/audio interface configuration settings in Windows Control Panel. Alternatively, look in your DAW software audio device ASIO settings.


- 3 - Save the file and run ST3 standalone.

    If it opens, go into the Audio/MIDI settings in ST3 and configure as you wish. ST3 started working for me after this. After exiting ST3, the "SampleTank 3.settings" file looks something like this:

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        <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

        <PROPERTIES>
          <VALUE name="audioDeviceState">
            <DEVICESETUP deviceType="ASIO" audioOutputDeviceName="Lynx L22" audioInputDeviceName="Lynx L22"
                         audioDeviceRate="48000" audioDeviceOutChans="11">
              <MIDIINPUT name="MIDI (Lynx L22)"/>
            </DEVICESETUP>
          </VALUE>
          <VALUE name="midiIsAny" val="0"/>
        </PROPERTIES>

Senior Technical Support - IK Multimedia
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Edits: Backslashes added to folder address at beginning ...

Here is more on the Arturia VST3 issue http://forum.cakewalk.com/Potential-work-around-for-those-having-trouble-with-Arturia-Synths-m3050021.aspx
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Bass-station-and-Arturia-VST-not-working-in-Sonar-X3e-m3035009.aspx
 
Some problems with UHE VST3 synths also cam up in the search.