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GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
This is driving me CRAZY and the intertubes can't seem to provide a definitive answer. I need to buy a stack of DVD-R's. My DAW's burner says DVD+RW on the front and my laptop seems to claim it's a DVD-RW. I just need to know whether I can buy a stack of DVD-RW and be certain I can burn data on them on either machine. The only definitive info states that using the wrong kind just may not play back movies on DVD players but I don't care about that. I'll be using them for storage of data, creating boot discs and crap like that. So does it matter or should I buy two stacks of each? kthx
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Beepster
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 11:43:19
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And yes... I should know this by now but honestly I always avoided DVD's for data because of exactly this and preferring flash mem or good old HDDs. Some things sadly require a disc though.
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 12:12:11
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☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2014/08/07 12:20:47
I bet this topic ends up being a zombie thread in a few years after it fades away only to be found in a search by some spammer and resurrected with some bizarre one-line reply about burning software. As for a real answer, I'd first try what the burner says it can handle. Buy a small pack or have a friend give you one to try, then burn something and see if you can access everything ok. Once you've had a successful test (of either type), then buy yourself a bulk stack of that.
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 12:25:08
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Hi, Craig. Well like I said I have both (seemingly) so if worse comes to worse I can use a flash drive (I intend to purchase a bunch at the same time I buy the DVD's) to transfer the data to the appropriate system. The hilarious part (or the "just my BEEPING luck part) is I went to the Plextor site to see if the + burner is actually one that can handle - burning as well. In the google search there was indication they had a PDF manual for my burner. AWESOME! Well well I clicked through to their site to get at it I was met with a picture of Skeletor and a bunch of other stupidness as well as some insane ramblings. Apparently the Plextor site had JUST been hacked by some dumbarses as confirmed by some other searches of the tech news sites. Dumbasses. Oh and I learned today that the Plextor site gets hacked rather frequently. I guess their burners have infuriated the lulz community. lulz
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 12:50:00
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Wow, too bad. Personally, I've always liked Plextors. Maybe their quality has gone down?
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 12:54:14
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Mine seems to work fine for what little I use it for (getting audio files into the system, installing/running games and programs, etc) and it got great reviews so IDK. Maybe they just suck at building and securing websites.
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 12:59:54
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Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 13:12:12
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Is that a drunken Jedi on the far right giggling as he leaves the scene of the crime? i bet he used teh triForce...
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 13:32:55
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Got the same program on both machines? Something like Nero version 10 or so. It should be a standard for both machines to burn a DVD-R (more reiiable but only once) or DVD-RW (burn more than once, but in the end does not last as long) and should be standard readable type DVD or CD. It is a standard. The only thing you have to watch is that in the program you select that it can be read on all computers not just the computer you are burning it on. That is an option in the program. I burned CDs that still work as CD-Rs, and actually gave up on CD-RW because just don't need them and can be read on any computer I have since they were done on old computers I do not use anymore. The price of a stack of say like Sonys DVD don't cost that much or FUJI or whatever, and I never use them all in a stack of ten. Of course I am not burning daily or anything just burning the OS and some other things and the rest is stored on the harddrive if needed. Like anything after a few years, it is either not going to be used anymore, or is not needed anymore.
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 13:41:35
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The whole thing is that a CD-RW at the time, just does not imprint as good as a CD-R which is only done once. You can not record again on a CD-R. They were only suppose to last say around 5 years or so. I still have some that are older and not a problem at all. Anyway that is what I had read at one time. If you do not mind trashing anything later, then DVD-R would be the better disc to use. But that will be that no matter what you use. I just burn at a slow speed, because it can go bad or not as good at faster speeds. I always burn at the slowest speed to make sure it is accurate (but it takes longer).
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 13:53:39
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This is more about the + vs. - format in regards to burners (and their + or - status). Unless of course you mean it simply doesn't matter if the burning software can somehow just do what it needs to. I usually just use the Windows 7 burning utility and it seems to work for the stuff I've done so. I just double checked the original set of system image discs I made for the DAW and I did use DVD+R discs (which correspond to the burner and in retrospect I bought them specifically because the drive is marked as DVD+). So if I were just buying them for the DAW I would buy DVD+R but I would like them to burn on my laptop which says "DVD-Super Multi DL drive" (but is only listed as generic at the moment in Windows which might be because I did a clean Win install). So really it's just a simple matter of knowing whether a DVD-R will burn properly in a DVD+ burner and vice versa. Frankly I'm very annoyed that these little DVD alliances and whatnot did this crap. STANDARDIZE BIZNATCHES!!!
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 14:28:07
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"DVD-Super Multi DL drive" - never heard of it. But again, what program are you using to make the DVDs and can you make one on your laptop with that program (say like Windows 7 or Nero verion 10)? Then it makes no difference, the DVD-R disks will work as long as you make the DVD to be used in all computers. All DVD drives in a sense are generic. But they also may have their own program that makes a disc differently than the normal standard disks that can be made. If you get up Device Manager in your computer and look at the DVD -drive, sure it will have the model number and what manufacturer probably it is - the designation of it. But also it will have under Properties (Standard CD-ROM drives) DVD/CD-ROM drives
As device type. Standard is Standard - using Windows Drivers, generic, all of that. Only thing with DVD drives is it has to be the same Region - as in 1 for the USA. That can be looked at also and changed but only 5 times total in all. (the first time is set already for the Region you are at in the world). Oh Edit: "This is more about the + vs. - format in regards to burners (and their + or - status)" Never heard of it, so I do not know about any of that. Do a search perhaps or if you did, e-mail the manufacturer and ask the questions. ??
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 14:44:50
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Yup, that's the crux of it. I've formulated a plan anyway just put this to rest and calm the voices in my head. It will at least half work.
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 14:49:57
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Put this in the search engine of the Internet - Google or Startpage whatever) the + vs. - format in regards to burners (and their + or - status) DVD-Rom drives Pages and pages of links. http://windowstechies.com...w-XmgcACFQIvaQodIzUAkAyes, you may have to do some reading and looking at links to actually see what they are about.
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 14:57:00
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I would avoid RW discs completely, as they are unreliable. Of course, someone will be along shortly with facts to disprove this.
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 14:58:54
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I was doing that for hours before posting this. Really it is all extremely vague with no real answers. Honestly I feel embarrassed for asking such a seemingly simple/dumb question but I was going a little bananas and figured someone here MUST have dealt with this before. My current conclusion is that either/or MIGHT work in the improperly matched device but it depends on the burner model. Considering I cannot access the info on my DAWs burner at the moment due to the haxxor I'm just going to stick with my plan of buying - and hope they work on the + burner. If not I'll just have to buy another stack of discs for use specifically with that burner. It's a MASSIVE pain for me to get out to stores so I like to figure stuff like this out before I go out. Sorry to be a crazy dorkwad.
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 15:03:29
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jamesg1213 I would avoid RW discs completely, as they are unreliable. Of course, someone will be along shortly with facts to disprove this.
Yeah... I'll probably just get single burn discs, single layer at 16x. No need for speed and if I buy a spindle then I'll have enough to last a while and/or just use another disc if I get a bad burn. I do like the idea of having the extra space of a dual layer BUT I know those don't play nice with some tasks (like burning a set of System Image discs IIRC). Cheers.
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 15:10:20
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Here it is in a sense (I actually heard about it a long time ago, but do not remember it). It concerns the way DVD were made (recorded). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_recordable does not cover all of the phrase up above only: the + vs. - format in regards to DVD burners
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 15:19:51
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And when you go to a store, they do not even list that (- or +) anymore, and maybe a DVD-RAM would be different, but anyway, all DVD-R or DVD-RW would be the same anymore. But the DVD unit in the computer would be more flexible to handle all of it (includes DVD-RAM) whereas most DVD-RW in a computer nowadays handle the usual DVDs made. The laptop I think if I remember handles all of those kind including the DVD-RAM, the newer or other computer may not handle the DVD-RAM, but I fail to see where they are even listed when going to a store anymore. If you want DVD-RW just pick up DVD-RW, and if you want DVD-R then just pick those up, and make the DVD compatible to be read in all DVD drives. Standard, standard, standard. All have been combined probably, but DVD-RAM may still be a question, and no doubt, probably no one uses them anymore if they ever did in the first place.
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 15:23:38
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Yeah, I've read that article probably a dozen times over the past few years (half of those times in the past week) as well as all the related articles on Wiki. It (and the others) do not definitively state whether the two types can be burned in either/or type of burner or not. It IS clear that the players (the thingies that one would hook up to their TV) will not reliably playback video on both unless the manufacturer made the device to play both. So the whole issue may simply be that if you want to burn a video disc that can be played on a dedicated DVD player you MUST use the correct type of DVD and burner. For data discs simply use on a computer (which is my usage) it may not matter but that is not clear ANYWHERE I've looked. I have done my homework but I'm either incredibly stupid or the info just isn't out there (which might indicate that it doesn't matter unless you are trying to create a disc that will play in a standalone DVD player). Meh. Makes my head hurt.
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Beepster
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 15:26:56
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They most certainly do list the +/- designation. I'm looking at products to buy right now (thus the thread) and they have those designations printed right on the packaging. Not trying to be argumentative. I appreciate the effort but I have been looking at any resource I can find on this. Thanks though. Cheers. Edit: And really you are probably right that it simply doesn't matter for my needs. Otherwise I'd imagine there would be far more details out there. However the lack of a definitive "you don't need to worry about it unless you are burning discs for standalone units" is weird and making me go all shizwizzle. Or was... because it'll all work out one way or another. Just don't want to make multiple trips or orders. It's a pain and costs more money.
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spacealf
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 15:34:12
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Let's just say that in the Past or even nowadays (I do not really know without looking it up) you had a dedicated DVD player (that also would record) as in a stereo (playing a movie) type setup. Then those different DVDs probably make a difference, but if a cheap DVD-drive on a computer, then what I have seen in stores do not even list the + or - on the DVD box anymore, and those usually are just the DVD-R or DVD-RW that I use. Maybe some places have the designation because of the way things use to be in that Wikipedia link, but usually on a computer the standard stuff will always work. Just look at your computers and see if the DVD drive handles both + and -. My computer does not even list that for the DVD anymore, nor did my old one with my XP computer.
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 15:47:01
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In some of those articles you'll see that there is a specific symbol used for burners that are considered + and - as shown in the following quote from WIKI... "Hybrid drives that can handle both, often labeled ' DVD±RW', are very popular since there is not a single standard for recordable DVDs." I've seen that on internal burners (and really thought that's what I bought when I built my DAW but I guess not). Again it probably doesn't matter because I have also read that many newer burners do and can handle both but I figured they would show that symbol if they did. As a side note it does seem to be that when searching for discs far more retail listings are of the - variety and they are usual at the top of the product list pages. There also seem to be many indications that the - format is the more common/universally compatible one so as I said I'm going to buy those and see if they work in the + drive on the DAW. If they work I'll be sure to update the thread. I might go out next week to do all this. I also need to by a new hard drive for the DAW (as a backup/extra storage) and some USB drives. Just getting the research out of the way beforehand because it seriously is a huge PITA for me to get out to stores these days and I don't want to make any f*ckups. Cheers.
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Re: GAAAH!!! Can I or can I NOT burn a DVD-R(W) disc on a DVD+R(W) burner?
2014/08/07 16:37:26
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Well, after looking at Amazon or someplace that you can buy them, maybe that is DVD-R on the box because they had DVD+R on the box also. At the store I buy them, I just took it as a dash like oh, just a DVD R box. I guess there can be difference then. I recant. I must buy DVD-R boxes. Never see the other ones in the stores I buy from locally. And with the burning program in Windows I doubt it would make a difference, but then I guess I have used the DVD- type DVDs. It does not make a difference only with the DVD unit in the computer which disk or disks you can use. If you get up Windows Help and type DVD- or DVD+ in the search item, then a whole lotta pages come up that covers everything.
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