Anderton

smallstonefan
There are some good perspectives here...

One thing I'd like to emphasize is that Cakewalk's future is no longer in doubt. Gibson is very committed to this venture,
 
 

Fortunately, Gibson seems to be letting CW run it's own house.

Anderton
 
Very much so. Cakewalk welcomes ideas, but ultimately, how they run the show is up to them. And let me add they have some pretty cool and highly innovative ideas they're tossing around...I think Cakewalk is really going to shake up this industry.

It would be nice if this included a new synth, but I'm not optimistic.
 

CakeAlexS

Regardless I'm all for concentrating on core functionality myself.

Funny you should say that.  To my mind and for my uses, Sonar as a totality is just one big synth and I see Cakewalk's instruments as the core of this synth.  Unfortunately, these instruments are getting a bit long in the tooth (as also seems the case for synths from other companies).
 
It'll be years before I master the instruments I do have, but already I see functions that would be nice to have but are absent or could be expanded.  I'm still waiting for a single peep out of Cakewalk indicating they remain interested in developing instruments.  Look at what's happened to sfz for example.
 

bobguitkillerleft
To be honest,
and I don't wish to be a total downer for those whom desperately need things"sorted",but I REALLY hope X4 is a little way off yet,I mean I'm only just coming to grips with the intricacies of the quad channel eq[I LOVE the fly out analyzer-I had it as a feature request]but I have to shell out for DECENT monitors[I have some 5" yellow coned ones,but they just DO NOT have even a smidgen of high mid clarity compared to a Tannoy Eaton that I use in conjunction with another passive speaker and Sony MDR-7509HD phones...in fact I HATE these monitors,and now the next gen has arrived they're worth ...not a lot,but to buy good monitoring[Event OPAL etc etc]which in Oz,are loads[sometimes 80% and even more!-and Event used to be Oz owned I believe?]of dollars[AUD]than Sweetwater,and the like,and then those stores ONLY sell such items to US residents only,or with insane shipping costs due to weight-and it's gotten a LOT worse in recent times.

Also my laptop has only lasted 2 1/2 years before breaking[I can still use it,but the cpu is reaching 90c!!! i7 2630QM[yes I know its dust buildup etc]but it's super fragile atm and I don't want to risk opening it up to clean it as this model is no picnic to open.
So yes,I'm almost totally at ease with where my X3 is at,the only things that really bug me are related to this computer,and I should be using my desktop,but many of the plugin licences I blew the amounts of machines through web user error,and and and,but long story it's in another part of this house big enough for it,but it's only comfortable in there in Autumn ,Spring,as it has no insulation and the owner[really nice old guy]we do not wish to hassle,so X4 in 2015 would probably be fine right here.
Bob

It seems like an annual thing so I'm bettin' Oct. we will see X4.  I'm going to hold off upgrading this time. (yeah right)  I didn't make much use of X2 so it was like jumping from X1 to X3.  Cakewalk is one of those few companies that are really into keeping its currents users with upgrade deals.  

TerraSin
Being the first major contender on Steam was also a big plus. I would love to know how many new Sonar/MC users there are from selling on there. Suddenly a lot more people know what Sonar is. :)

I got in through steam. I'd had my eye on Sonar. First DAW I bought since finishing up in college 8 years ago. I like the look of it, because it appears more approachable than other DAWs. Although in saying that, I used Cubase in college, and it's not complicated in appearence, wasn't very inviting though at the same time.
 
Haven't had too much use of it yet, though. Going to be building a pc over the next couple of days to sort that out.

Anderton 
Well, we have to be very careful about how we handle this. We're finding out that it's reproducible, but reproducing it in order to analyze it is destroying a lot of peasant villages. 

 

worstcaseontario
Please destroy as many peasant villages as necessary to make Sonar better. Globalization is gonna get them anyways. 

Part of the plan anyway... the alien greys are locked in the basements but upon X4's release...
 

"What would someone want in a future release at thispoint that Sonar does not do well already?? "

I'm sure you will find out in a couple of months. :-)

John
I love X3e producer but CW could improve the staff view and tweak the autozoom. I wouldn't mind if they did that.

 I bet Half Life 3 would be released before that happens.
 

Anderton

brconflict

Anderton

smallstonefan
There are some good perspectives here...

One thing I'd like to emphasize is that Cakewalk's future is no longer in doubt. Gibson is very committed to this venture,
 
 

Fortunately, Gibson seems to be letting CW run it's own house.

Very much so. Cakewalk welcomes ideas, but ultimately, how they run the show is up to them. And let me add they have some pretty cool and highly innovative ideas they're tossing around...I think Cakewalk is really going to shake up this industry.

I think Cakewalk has the potential to shake up the industry. I think the challenge is, what exactly does that entail? From my point of view everyone has very different ideas of what features, integrations, and such would do just that. So much progress has been made to improve the holistic "value" of Sonar (i.e. Plug-ins), and in the MIDI/VST realm. I'm ready to see some progress in scooting PT over on the shelf and making headway into major studios in the tracking, mixing, and mastering realm of live bands, live performances. THIS is where I'd like to see CW shake up the industry. This is where I work.

John
I love X3e producer but CW could improve the staff view and tweak the autozoom. I wouldn't mind if they did that.

And fix the Drum Map problems which have been around since at least 6PE
 
But I guess this discussion does not really belong to this thread

stxx
Call me crazy but X3 is awesome and I can't imagine that only a very small percentage of people here utilize a fraction of the capabilities of Sonar in any one projectat any one time.    What would someone want in a future release at thispoint that Sonar does not do well already??  Sonar has GREAT modules on Prochannel, Great effects, Great instruments and pretty damn good timing tools, pretty damn good comping tool and take management, full midi support, full support for VST 3, UAD , WAVES and any other 3rd party and finally melodyne.  What else does anyone need to make a great record???

Talent! Unfortunately we're all on our own there. Cakewalk can only do so much. :-)

Anderton

kitekrazy1

smallstonefan
 
I'm ready to see some progress in scooting PT over on the shelf and making headway into major studios in the tracking, mixing, and mastering realm of live bands, live performances. THIS is where I'd like to see CW shake up the industry. This is where I work.

Not gonna happen. Old habits die hard.  People stick with the same software based on familiarity instead of what's better.  

 
True, but Pro Tools' market share is declining as new people come into the field. When newcomers assess their needs, Pro Tools is less likely to be the answer than it was a decade ago.
 

And the same thing can be said of SONAR.  I know of at least twelve people that I'm in regular contact with, who were once considered hard core Cakewalk SONAR users and now have switched to PT 11, Samplitude, Studio One or Reaper.
 
I won't say it's a matter of what program is better more than it's a matter of what program fits your style of working better.  Me, I transitioned through three different DAW platforms before landing in PT 11 after failing to find a way to make the X series SONAR work in a manner that fits the way I prefer to work.  Some will argue with me that SONAR (Cakewalk) was the first at this, this and this and is excellent at this, this and this and I will counter that PT11 finally came around and now also does this, this and this, as well and excels at this, this and this even more.
 
I really don't give a flip about who sells the most copies of product more than gourmet hamburger shop cares about how many burgers a certain fast food chain sells.  I look at the music professionals that I want to emulate and consider what they use and why they use it.  That's what influences me now.

Let's not forget that many "Production" houses are primarily Mac shops.

CakeAlexS

kitekrazy1
Not gonna happen. Old habits die hard.  People stick with the same software based on familiarity instead of what's better.  
 

Oh it happens. But you need to offer something significantly better. I'm thinking of Quark Express being trashed upon by Adobe InDesign right now.

To take over the market, one needs to create the proverbial 'Stairway to Heaven'. It's a very serious challenge, and competition is rather skilled, too. Who's going to get "there" first? Who will be the developer that pops out the keystone in the stony bridge between PT and the mainstream?
 
Adobe had Pagemaker for years, competing with Quark, which I believe was the industry leader at the time. Adobe lost the market, and pulled Pagemaker. They started the newer InDesign and rocked the publishing community. I've heard it being called, "Quark Killer".
 
My theory of evolving software: 'It can be done. Eventually it will.'   Who's going to be first?