sharke
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Clip louder after Melodyne edit
I recorded a few bars of fingerpicking on a nylon string which needed a little pitch correction. So I created a Melodyne clip (with the polyphonic algorithm), corrected the pitch, and bounced it back. Now the clip is considerably louder than the original. Thoughts?
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/24 06:49:43
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sharke.... Now the clip is considerably louder than the original. Thoughts?
Well, if your thoughts are louder too, then I doubt it's the software...  Otherwise, I have no clue.
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/24 09:59:52
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2014/08/24 18:35:30
did you have any effects in the FX bin or pro channel before you bounced?
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sharke
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/24 10:50:59
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Yes I have some effects in the PC. But I had thought that only the automation (if any) would be applied to the new clip.
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/24 14:17:21
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I am sorry I don't have any helpful advice, but will go on record that post-bounce levels in Sonar have always been unpredictable for me—and not just with Melodyne.
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/24 14:53:36
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If I have any effects in the FX bin, after the bounce, effects are always activated unless I disable them before the bounce.....try to disable PC effects prior to bounce and see if your levels are still affected......hope this helps
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sharke
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/24 15:03:10
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Hmm interesting, I will try that. Funny though, I've done a lot of Melodyne bounces before and have never noticed gain changes. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. Melodyne does go screwy on me sometimes though - every now and then the pitch and quantize macro buttons will just stop working until I reload the project, and like others have experienced crashes when closing projects with active Melodyne regions.
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/24 17:11:55
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I wouldn't think that, if you used the Bounce to Clips(s) feature, track plugins would come into play. I could see it if you used Bounce to Track(s), but, if that's the case, please let us know... 'cause that's... weird.
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/24 18:45:52
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sharke
Yes I have some effects in the PC. But I had thought that only the automation (if any) would be applied to the new clip.
Nope. FXs are applied. It's a hassle but I usually move my clip to be melodyned to a virgin track. Edit. Bounce. Move back to orig tack. FYI: I usually do this in the tracking-pre-mix stage as I will not yet have clip automation applied. I need the automaton before melodyne the I turn off all FXs (bin and chain and PC), bounce and then do the above process.
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/24 18:56:21
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bapu
sharke
Yes I have some effects in the PC. But I had thought that only the automation (if any) would be applied to the new clip.
Nope. FXs are applied. It's a hassle but I usually move my clip to be melodyned to a virgin track. Edit. Bounce. Move back to orig tack.
FYI: I usually do this in the tracking-pre-mix stage as I will not yet have clip automation applied. I need the automaton before melodyne the I turn off all FXs (bin and chain and PC), bounce and then do the above process.
Let me get this straight - when using bounce to clips - FX, either in the ProChannel or FX Bin, are not applied. If you are using FX in the clips, then maybe, but otherwise they are not.
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/24 19:28:02
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jb101
Let me get this straight - when using bounce to clips - FX, either in the ProChannel or FX Bin, are not applied. If you are using FX in the clips, then maybe, but otherwise they are not.
This is correct. To apply FX to a clip, you need to select the clip and go Process > Apply Effect > Audio Effects. Clip automation will be applied to the clip when you bounce, but track automation will not. Note that if a clip is in a Take Lane that's muted, bouncing the Clip will result in a clip with no amplitude. However this is not the case with Mute on the Track level.
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bapu
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/24 19:52:09
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jb101
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sharke
Yes I have some effects in the PC. But I had thought that only the automation (if any) would be applied to the new clip.
Nope. FXs are applied. It's a hassle but I usually move my clip to be melodyned to a virgin track. Edit. Bounce. Move back to orig tack.
FYI: I usually do this in the tracking-pre-mix stage as I will not yet have clip automation applied. I need the automaton before melodyne the I turn off all FXs (bin and chain and PC), bounce and then do the above process.
Let me get this straight - when using bounce to clips - FX, either in the ProChannel or FX Bin, are not applied. If you are using FX in the clips, then maybe, but otherwise they are not.
We are specifically talking about a bounced Melodyne track/clip. Not just a general bounce to clip.
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jb101
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/24 20:02:20
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bapu
jb101
bapu
sharke
Yes I have some effects in the PC. But I had thought that only the automation (if any) would be applied to the new clip.
Nope. FXs are applied. It's a hassle but I usually move my clip to be melodyned to a virgin track. Edit. Bounce. Move back to orig tack.
FYI: I usually do this in the tracking-pre-mix stage as I will not yet have clip automation applied. I need the automaton before melodyne the I turn off all FXs (bin and chain and PC), bounce and then do the above process.
Let me get this straight - when using bounce to clips - FX, either in the ProChannel or FX Bin, are not applied. If you are using FX in the clips, then maybe, but otherwise they are not.
We are specifically talking about a bounced Melodyne track/clip. Not just a general bounce to clip.
Okay.. Specifically - using Bounce To Clip(s) on a Melodyne clip - FX, either in the ProChannel or FX Bin, are not applied. Using Bounce To Tracks will include FX, if specified.
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/25 21:02:49
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Do you maybe have some mono/stereo/pan law thing going on?
I export tracks to be pitch corrected out to a standalone version of Melodyne so don't use Melodyne within Sonar, but I do recall things being louder when imported back into Sonar from Melodyne.
From what I recall it was something to do with exporting a mono (say vocal) track out but not setting the export option to 'mono'. The track would come back in 3db louder than when it went out. I can't quite remember offhand the ins and outs of it all, but it was something to do with mono/stereo.
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bapu
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/25 21:36:13
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jb101
bapu
jb101
bapu
sharke
Yes I have some effects in the PC. But I had thought that only the automation (if any) would be applied to the new clip.
Nope. FXs are applied. It's a hassle but I usually move my clip to be melodyned to a virgin track. Edit. Bounce. Move back to orig tack.
FYI: I usually do this in the tracking-pre-mix stage as I will not yet have clip automation applied. I need the automaton before melodyne the I turn off all FXs (bin and chain and PC), bounce and then do the above process.
Let me get this straight - when using bounce to clips - FX, either in the ProChannel or FX Bin, are not applied. If you are using FX in the clips, then maybe, but otherwise they are not.
We are specifically talking about a bounced Melodyne track/clip. Not just a general bounce to clip.
Okay..
Specifically - using Bounce To Clip(s) on a Melodyne clip - FX, either in the ProChannel or FX Bin, are not applied.
Not true in my case. They seem to apply. At least to the point that the clip is louder after a bounce (of a melodyne) to clip. When I turn the FX off it does not happen.
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bapu
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/25 21:37:11
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Maybe it's my specific FXs but I can say that it happens all the time and I use different FXs from project to project and track to track.
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/26 06:43:50
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Perhaps it's an ARA-specific quirk?
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Re: Clip louder after Melodyne edit
2014/08/26 12:20:10
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I'm using Editor 2 in X2, (and I do copy the clip to be edited into a virgin track), and I sometimes get this problem. I haven't been able to specifically identify the problem. I do know that Melodyne doesn't like to be bounced from a stereo track if the source is mono. I must change the interleave to 'mono' before I place Melpodyne into the FX bin.
Paul
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