Before anybody else comes in here can I just say, that I'm far more on Mesh's, Larry side of the fence in this.
I am a very long time user, I have all the instruments and many expansion packs.
When I went 64bit, Sampletank / tron  / moog etc etc did not like my 64bit set up even using Jbridge.
I was lucky that I still had my 32 bit system, so I linked via Vienna pro so I could still and still do use my IK products.
All I ever wanted was a 64bit upgrade to use what I had - and I would have paid for that like I am just about to pay for another manufactures upgrade to 64bit - OK that is only $20 but I fully accept and adhere to the principle of paying for necessary and worthwhile upgrades. I have paid to upgrade Kontact on a number of occasions over the years. 
That is not the issue i feel.
I honestly think IK's attitude (a good example being the above post) just sounds a bit  arrogant and even pompous  - perhaps it's just the way it's written but it almost seems designed to inflame further comment.
I think all forum members should just refrain from further comment and perhaps IK could just stop posting for a while. 
I see Cakewalk are discussing reorganization of the forums and I for one would definitely not like to lose something as valuable as the software forum, although I would not mind losing threads that degenerate too much into invective etc. 
It might help if IK just went away and worked on sorting out their long over due product - I decided to upgrade and ordered the boxed version - on their numerous visits here IK STILL cannot even announce a release date - not great.
 

And just to be clear, I am sympathetic to the criticisms that IK didn't offer a free 64bit solution, and the delays, etc.
 
It's the ludicrous rants that every time IK comes out with a demo, has a sale or does just about anything that they are somehow committing crimes against humanity and then insulting any of us who aren't similarly apoplectic about it that I have completely lost patience with.

Nope, it's not ready. I took my AI's buffer as low as it could go and then adjusted the setting in ST3 to get it to play when I hit the key with no latency and could not get it low enough to work without weird artifacts. Plus, why are the buttons to get to those setting the same color as it's surroundings? Why not make everything red so everyone has to keep clicking away till something happens?
 
I'm glad you came out with the free so I could see that it's not something I would want.

Quotes day?
 
"Kinnnnnnkeeeeeey" ~Hedley Lamar, Blazing Saddles

" Never, never go against the family" Al Pacino in the God Father 2.
 
Rockt

Mesh

drewfx1
It can't import old libraries, so it's essentially a demo that allows unlimited use of a very limited instrument set.

This practically nullifies my need for ST3 as I have every library + synth for ST2, and all I need is the 64 bit player.

+ 64 !!

Sanderxpander
Since someone asked, I'm pretty sure FabFilter released 64 bit versions after the original release of their first few plugs for free (i.e. I don't think Pro-C, when it was first released seven years ago, was 64 bit). More reasons to support them! Also GSi's VB3 VST organ was updated to 64 bit for free (at least for Windows, so far). Those are just a few that I have and know about, I'm sure there are more. Didn't IK state just now that they did it with Amplitube and T-Racks? It was implied that those were free upgrades as well.

I think I also specified products that were older than 5 years.  I fully expect a company to provide a free upgrade for a recent product , especially if there is no change other than merely changing to 64 bit. hate aside, even the most ardent IK hater can concede that there was more done than simply making it 64 bit, even if you are not impressed by those changes.

dubdisciple

I think I also specified products that were older than 5 years.  I fully expect a company to provide a free upgrade for a recent product , especially if there is no change other than merely changing to 64 bit. hate aside, even the most ardent IK hater can concede that there was more done than simply making it 64 bit, even if you are not impressed by those changes.

Right, well, Fabfilter then :)
VB3 is at least four years old, possibly five, I couldn't say for sure though.

Dub, buddy, you're becoming the anti-larry. I don't understand why anyone thinks that IK is even worth this much vitriol. They're certainly not worth good forum people squaring-off. 

dubdisciple

tKx5050
Dub, buddy, you're becoming the anti-larry. I don't understand why anyone thinks that IK is even worth this much vitriol. They're certainly not worth good forum people squaring-off. 

tK it's not even about IK.  As someone else pointed out, it's the odd insults at us that gets annoying.  He says some pretty harsh stuff about us regularly. I think if he left it just at IK, I would probably just laugh at the whole thing.  With that said, I happen to think highly of Larry.  Outside of this one issue, he is very helpful and I appreciate his diligence in finding software news and specials. 

Well said.... Now is everyone ready for a group hug! (just kidding you big lugs...)

yeah...there's a lot of wacko-s around here...but they all contribute invaluable info, that I'm being assimilated into a wacko myself...  maybe!  ;-D

dubdisciple
LMAO.  I am going to leave this thread alone because it's not likely to go anywhere.  I apologize for escalating this in any way.  If I ever meet Larry I will gladly buy him a beer

I'd go with a Coke... just sayin'.  
 
I am going to get the "Free ST3" Demo version and maybe later get ST3. I'm glad it is finally here and hope everything gets ironed out soon with the boxed version, if it isn't already. I have never used Kontakt, it is expensive and I haven't needed it enough to justify the cost. The afore mentioned Kurzweil, 88 key version comes in at around 3,400.00 USD. That is a big difference indeed. I bought a Yamaha PSR-2100 back when they were out. I picked it because it was the model where the piano and bass sounded good enough for me to use, anything I could find cheaper sounded a lot worse. I was looking at a Korg that was close to the same price but the Yammy has done what I needed. I'd like a nice expensive HW synth or piano but for now am going to look at ST3 and Kontakt. AS usual, I will want the premium version and KT is a lot of money, for me. That may be the deciding factor.
I do like Amplitude and other IK products. I like the Custom Shop setup too.
Maybe I would feel different if I had invested a lot of money in ST2, IDK.
I do think that some have allowed this to become a bigger problem with them than it should be. Life is short and to be this upset over software isn't worth it and I suspect one can do more harm to themselves than anyone else by harboring such stress. It isn't worth it, IMO.
Just my 2 centavos...
 
Julien
 

ampfixer



Grampa, what does brutally sodomizing mean???
Well sweetie.......

Um..it's like a variation of the Heimlich manuever not taught in CPR class. I'm sure I would regret that one the first time anyone around the kid actually was in danger of choking.

dubdisciple
I would like to know if there are companies who offered free 64 bit versions of commercial products that are more than 5 years old aside from programs that already offered free lifetime upgrades? It just seems weird that several seem to expect free upgrades from IK.

Only 2 that I'm sure of are:
1. Voxengo
2. Stillwell Audio
 
Sure because I have plugs from both.