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2014/09/11 13:37:33 (permalink)

What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer?

To be really specific, I'm not a drummer at all, but I can pound out a great rhythm with my bare hands.
So I looked at creating an audio track of my hands beating on a desk, and then converting to MIDI.
 
Someone suggested DrumaGog 5, which will convert analog impulses to MIDI on the fly.
 
The other thought was a percussion module with pads that will react very well to my hands, not sticks. I can't use sticks
any more than chop sticks!
 
What might possibly be the best thing to go with?
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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/11 14:06:32 (permalink)
I've got and use one of these which is really useful for the sort of thing you want to do.
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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/11 15:37:55 (permalink)
Here's an interesting product that I have been wondering about.  If you just don't want to use a pad controller for whatever reason:
 
http://www.drumsanywhere.com/
 
I haven't used this software but I am intrigued by it. 
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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/11 15:50:10 (permalink)
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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/11 16:02:42 (permalink)
The last two options seem cool until I stretch my arm to far and "miss" the intended drum.
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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/11 16:23:23 (permalink)
why pound your hands sore?  just use AddDrums and drag a midi drum section that u like into the track.

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What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/11 17:44:42 (permalink)
To be really specific, I'm not a drummer at all, but I can pound out a great rhythm with my bare hands.
So I looked at creating an audio track of my hands beating on a desk, and then converting to MIDI.
Then, someone suggested DrumaGog 5, which will convert analog impulses to MIDI on the fly.
The other thought was a percussion module with pads that will react very well to my hands, not sticks. I can't use sticks
any more than chop sticks!

What might possibly be the best thing to go with?
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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/11 19:06:10 (permalink)
Do you have a midi keyboard with pads on it?  You can map the pads to the corresponding keys in Session Drummer or Addictive Drums and drum with your fingers.

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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/11 20:10:08 (permalink)
Trouble is hands don't bounce like sticks do, so a lot of what a drummer does can't easily be played with hands.

The best I've found is a pad-style MIDI controller played with fingertips. That way rapid repeat strikes are possible.

Failing that, Jamstix.

Or do as I did and marry a pecussionist/drummer with a good sense of timing.....

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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/11 20:24:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mistergreen 2014/09/22 16:06:29
If you are going to use your hands then an Akai MPD18 drum pad may help"
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MPD18/?utm_source=MSN&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=audio&utm_term=akai_mpd18
 
I have one and it does the trick for me, except I use sticks!

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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/11 20:42:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Coreysan 2014/09/12 15:34:39
You could use this?

http://www.makeymakey.com
 
A student of mine used this to make a highly entertaining dog bowl drum kit :)
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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/11 20:45:18 (permalink)
Hmm, isn't this just as easily done on a keyboard controller? You use your fingers and its velocity sensitive and all that stuff. If you really have to use your hands then I guess you could re map sections of keys into parts. 
 


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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/11 20:46:08 (permalink)
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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/11 20:50:45 (permalink)
Quick question for the OP... what software are you using now (SONAR version, etc.)? You probably have simple tools already available, but may not realize it.

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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/12 15:48:05 (permalink)
You guys are all brilliant, so thanks for some great suggestions. I should have clarified that I have Sonar X3
with Addictive drums, and I don't care much for pre-packaged MIDI drum clips, loops, etc. I went to a NAMM show to test out various controller boards, and the touch pads are way too small for my way of using hands.
 
I'm terrible with fingers, so I use my hands, especially the heel. From all these responses, the clever ones using
the makeymakey board, or the aerodrum, or the contact mic solution would really be fun to try!!!!
 
My daughter can help me bang out some great rhythms too!
 
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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/12 16:09:21 (permalink)
Technically, you should be able to bang rhythms on a table top and use Audiosnap to convert the transients into midi data.  You could then select the midi notes for each part and transpose them to the proper pitch in order to trigger a drum sample.  Or you could tap out the rhythms for each part one at a time and have Audiosnap convert them to the proper pitch during the same process.

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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/12 16:44:19 (permalink)
This is where Ableton Live becomes so useful, more specifically Max4Live.
It's reasonably easy to create a M4L device that will map a midi note number to an incoming signal's transient, which can then of course be used to trigger a sample from a drum synth, AD2 for example.

I think it may even be possible to build a similar thing in NI's Reaktor…?

Downside is, it means having to learn how to program in Max and Reaktor, so er, not really ideal 
 
I think Mod Bod has the solution, purely because it's something you can do right away without having to spend anything and it will likely yield usable results.
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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/12 17:21:35 (permalink)
The Roland Handsonic, might be worth a look.
 
http://www.roland.com/products/en/HPD-20/
 

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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/13 09:31:26 (permalink)
Melodyne also has the ability to convert an analogue track to a midi track.

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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/14 06:59:35 (permalink)
These are directions for how to do Mod Bod's suggestion.
 
1. Record yourself tapping on your guitar case or desk or whatever.
2. select the recorded clip and press A to open audio snap
3. In the right hand corner of the Audio Snap Pallet click the options button
4. Select Vary With Pulse Level in the Midi Extraction Section - this way your louder hits will be louder and softer taps will be softer after extracting the midi.
5. Change the track Edit Filter to Audio Transients in track view (it's on the track header as a drop down)
6. Move the Threshold slider in Audio Snap until your taps have transients in the right places
7. Next to the AudioSnap Power button there is a copy as midi button... copy your taps to midi.
8. Paste them into a midi track and route the midi to your favorite drum synth
9. select open Piano Roll view and select all the midi events and move them to the drum of your choice.
 
Melodyne is pitch sensitive. It does not create all of your taps at the same pitch necessarily (although you could probably manage it). Using AudioSnap should be simpler and work just fine.
 
If you don't get the velocity variation you are interested in, try normalizing the track before extracting the midi.

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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/16 11:57:48 (permalink)
Drumagog will indeed do this. I saw a demonstrtaion at NAMM where a guy sat in a folding chair with four microphones (SM58s), aimed at his knees and feet. The right foot was generating a kick drum sound, the left a hi-hat. He was tapping his feet on carpet in an extremely noisy exhibition hall! And playing a convincing drum solo in real time. 


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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/16 13:10:52 (permalink)
I know you said you can't use fingers and have many suggestions from others but I use this little Korg Nanopad and it is awesome. I have the entire drumkit at my fingertips. I also use it for synths, etc and it works great at a decent price.
 
http://www.korg.com/us/products/controllers/nanopad2/
 
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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/16 16:14:30 (permalink)
Once again, you guys are more helpful than I hoped for! So much here, and I'll go through them carefully!
Thank you, thank you all!
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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/19 17:05:14 (permalink)
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If you are going to use your hands then an Akai MPD18 drum pad may help"
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MPD18/?utm_source=MSN&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=audio&utm_term=akai_mpd18
 
I have one and it does the trick for me, except I use sticks!


These are particularly useful if you buy the pad boosters from MPCstuff.com. Makes them much more linear and sensitive. 
Much of the time, though, I use Step Sequencer. With the ability to 'push' notes in time, add 'swing' and edit all the parameter for every hit, you can make very nice grooves as fast as you can do 3-4 takes. With Addictive Drums you also have more choices from each instrument and many more instruments to get nuance in your snare and cymbals. 
 
I have a drum set, and can hold a groove on a live session (NOT a drummer), but prefer crafting my rhythm tracks rather than pounding them out with my fingers on my upgraded MPD18. 

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Re: What is Best choice for creating MIDI drum track by a NON drummer? 2014/09/21 01:53:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mistergreen 2014/09/22 16:07:58
Another option to try is the step sequencer. You can have it loop 4-8 (or whatever) bars and insert/remove drums as it plays. It also has some nice features with humanizing and adding grace notes (randomness) during looping playback. One other nicety for this is that it is already aligned to your project tempo, so removes the potential variation of "live-to-project" alignment. There is a lot you can do with the MIDI data once recorded, so it can get complex quickly; but as far as a "sandbox for creation," it is a nice tool.

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