here come the galtieris

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2014/09/13 07:52:37 (permalink)

here come the galtieris

And now for your delight and delectation the latest track from 'here come the galtieris';
 
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=12889569&q=hi&newref=1
 
Any comments, advice or mixing tips gladly appreciated.
 
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    bapu
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/14 17:30:22 (permalink)
    way too compressed?
     
    vocal too loud?
     
    too much reverb?
     
    These may all be personal tastes.
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/14 21:12:37 (permalink)
    I agree with Bapu that it is too compressed and the vocal is too loud.
    The song and performance is good.  
    I would produce this like a early Beatles song.  Use a clean acoustic guitar, bass, drums with your voice and then add the synth part.  Keep everything up front and present like "If I Fell" 
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/15 07:06:29 (permalink)
    Thanks for the advice guys + thanks for listening!
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/16 17:23:03 (permalink)
    +1 to the above suggestions.   With some work on the mix and arrangement the song would come across much better IMO.   I think you could really take advantage of that late 60's vibe that the song itself seems to have.
     

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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/16 21:16:07 (permalink)
    This has some nice potential.
     
    I would study how to use compression though. Groove 3 has a "Compression Explained" video series that is very informative. Mixing videos wouldn't be amiss either.
     
    Great song!

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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/16 21:22:49 (permalink)
    +1 to the above. Performance seems well executed, but the mix is way over-compressed.
    Have faith in yourselves. Pull all the faders down, then slowly bring them back up. You'll feel it when stuff starts to pop into place. With compressors and other effects, just enough is the key.
    Steve mentioned a '60s vibe, but I'm hearing something U2ish. You might have some fun playing with delays.
    Work it, and don't be afraid to trash a project version. Do lots of Save As.
    This has lots of potential.

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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/20 08:21:54 (permalink)
    Thanks a lot for the advice guys and thanks for listening!
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/20 08:52:20 (permalink)
    You have received excellent information and guidance above as noted it is just squished to a bad place.

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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/21 11:36:12 (permalink)
    Can't add much to what's been said above, but there is a good song trying to get out here.

     
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/21 21:36:24 (permalink)
    Great song but I agree that it is way over compressed.  You got some great advice above.  Clean it up a bit and you'll have a nice song.
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/22 12:36:17 (permalink)
    Thanks for the advice and comments, we've tried another mix as follows;
     
    http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=12922445&q=hi&newref=1
     
    Thanks for listening!
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/22 19:19:12 (permalink)
    I didn't hear the original mix but I like this - great song. The vocal has a hint of Ian Curtis from Joy Division
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/22 23:08:03 (permalink)
    It's moving in the right direction.
    Maybe give the vocals a little more air.
    I'm not too keen on the hard left panning of the guitar, but if you had some more energy on the right to balance it out, it might work. The pad seems left-centric as well.
    Just curious, are you recording mono sources to stereo tracks? This typically leaves you left side heavy, and difficult to move in the stereo field. If that's the case, you can split the stereo track into two mono tracks, and it is much easier to work with.
    Currently, my meters are relatively even, probably because the drums and bass are fairly centered (lots of energy there), but the right side sounds pretty vacant.
    As James noted, there is a good song trying to get out here.
    I, for one, want to hear this thing sizzle, and I think you can do it.

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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/24 15:58:52 (permalink)
    Hi guys, thanks again for the advice, it turns out we have a penchant for panning everything to the left. We've tried some re-panning, given the vocals some air and present our latest effort below;
     
    http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=12924329&q=hi&newref=1
     
    Thanks again for listening!
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/24 22:23:57 (permalink)
    Much better!
    Vocals pulled up very nicely. I really like where that is.
    Guitar is still pinned left. This is a mono source, so don't record it to a stereo track. If you do that, you are stuck on the left side, and there's not a whole lot you can do about it.
    There is a way out, however, and it's not terribly difficult, but I want to make sure we're on the same page first.
    You are doing a great job dialing this mix in, so keep going.

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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/24 23:05:53 (permalink)
    Guys, this is a fine song with a lot of potential, but it still sounds pinched to me.  I suspect that you're over compressing the direct tracks rather than the entire mix.  The guitar sounds nice and jangly, though, I'd like to hear it doubled and panned opposite.  That way you could pan the synth part in the center, and the overall mix would be more balanced.  Why not try a mix without compression and just add it lightly on the lead vox? I like the way your drums are sounding in this version, and the bass drum can be heard well.  Once you give this some breathing space, it'll just pop out of the speakers, then you can bring the entire mix up in volume at the mastering stage (just don't overdo it).  Best of luck to you.  

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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/25 00:13:44 (permalink)
    Robby, how 'bout you give it a rest? You are being your usual tiresome self.
    Let's help these guys out, OK?
    When I am working on a song, I tend to not listen or post on other songs, because I struggle to stay focused. And for what it's worth, they have commented on a few other tunes.

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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/25 07:35:15 (permalink)
     
    I listened to the several mixes. And I agree it's moving in a good direction.
     
    The key to getting good at mixing is a cumulative process. The more you do it, the better you get. In addition you need to study and analyze the things you do that work and don't work and why.
     
    Robert pointed out doubling the electric and panning it opposite. I use that a lot on acoustic guitar and it certainly puts a nice solid, wide bed in place for the rest of the tracks.   Shoot for a nice, clean, balanced mix. You can always make it louder later.
     
    Several of my rules of thumb include:
     
    Get good input levels and have the recorded wave that is displayed in the track somewhere around the 50% level. That's usually plenty sufficient. More is OK as long as nothing is clipped or over.  Less is often OK.... 50% is just my target zone.  Too high and it simply means you will be pulling the faders down more in the final mix. Too low and you're tempted to push above 0db and use FX to get the levels up high enough.
     
    Record mono things in mono. Rarely do you (I) actually need a stereo track in the mix.
     
    Use busses.  More then once I have set up a "band" buss to route all the band through..... rather then go back and lower the levels to match and balance, I set up a buss to do that.
     
    Keep the individual tracks out of the red. (basic rule of thumb for avoiding distortion and clipping)
     
    Use FX sparingly. My tracks are mostly empty with a few exceptions and that's usually an EQ.  If you find yourself grabbing and using a compressor or Boost11 to bring a track up....ask yourself WHY? It might be better to turn the other tracks down...... go back to  "Use Busses"....
     
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    BTW: the song is a good one.... so keep working on the mix..... but don't obsess or burn out on it.
     
     

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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/09/25 10:00:03 (permalink)
    As noted  by the majority this is moving in the right direction, pinning that opening guitar to the left is for me most disconcerting.  Move slight nearer to the centre and as suggest by Guitarhacker and Robert something to balance the energy on the right.
     
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/10/04 07:13:54 (permalink)
    Hi guys, thanks again for the advice and support. We've tried another mix with the guitar both left and right and attach our efforts below;
     
    http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=12933499&q=hi&newref=1
     
    Our next song is taking over our efforts at the moment so this will be the last mix of this one from us but its been great to have your comments and tips regarding mixing.
     
    Thanks again for listening!
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/10/05 12:15:50 (permalink)
    nice song and sounds. 


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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/10/06 15:03:57 (permalink)
    The song's melody is very good and nice playing. The guitar sounds slightly distorted, which felt bit wrong on my system. Also I'm not too fond of the many  'if I never'-lines, but most people will love this I believe.
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/10/06 17:42:24 (permalink)
    GaltieriBrothers,
     
     
    Nice track, you are listening to the good advice you are getting.   Started from the top and listened through your different iterations based on forum feedback.    Quite an improvement, the performance overall was quite good from the start but the mix was distracting from it.   Really enjoyable performance. 
     
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/10/06 20:59:10 (permalink)
    Sound much better!!!  I love that vocal melody!  It has a early 1960's feel to it.
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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/10/07 01:07:00 (permalink)
    That's a huge improvement. Much better balance in this mix.
    As kakku noted, there is a weird distortion on the center guitar, most noticeable from 0:30 to 1:10.
    You might be getting some cross talk from the bass in the same space.
    Step away from it for a while, but I think the song is good enough to warrant one more pass at the mix.
    You're 90% there.
    In mixing, as in racing, that last 10% takes 50% of the effort. I believe some very minor adjustments near the center could really make this song pop.
    Don't get me wrong, this is a dramatic improvement over the initial version.
    Take a break from it, but don't walk away from it.
    What you learn dialing this one in will have a positive impact on future projects, and it is very much worth the time.

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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/10/07 19:01:37 (permalink)
    As others have pointed out the mix has issues.  The lead vocal is also out of tune in places.  You don't have to sound like Cher, but there's really no excuse for not retracking those parts or whipping out the digital fix and using it judiciously.

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    Re: here come the galtieris 2014/10/09 20:14:43 (permalink)
    you guys are making good headway based on the help here....keep it up! I'd really like to have a crack at re-mixing this tune...but your doing well by remixng over and over to get yourself up to speed tweaking.....
     
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