scook
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/07/26 03:38:51
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The ProChannel was very limited in X1. Even with X1 Expanded, the FX chains could only be used in the FX bin. The ProChannel became a suitable replacement for the FX bin starting with X2.
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/07/26 08:32:55
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The ProCh grew on me and it has been my preference for a while but I'd like to see on off buttons in the console view for every FX enabled. I haven't jumped on all modules available except the occasional special I have managed to catch. I do like it, but I'd like to see a fav from an old board I used in the good ol days. It was an Image Width Control of the SSL 611S on the Stereo channel module. I too have used the FX bin for additional FX and the FX chain is something for me to explore as well.
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/07/26 10:47:58
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Anderton
Interesting - what you describe doesn't work if the FX chains are in the FX bin, but it DOES work if they're in the ProChannel.
What I described is what I do when the FX chains are in the bin. I never tried it with FX chains in the ProChannel because I figured if it didn't work in the bins, it wouldn't work in the PC.
So, now you've shown me something I didn't know...thanks!
That's the beauty of these forums! :) Seriously, I'm really glad you showed me the workaround you were using. Judging from another post - you get that two clicks introduces just a bit of time and a little bit of thought and can affect the AB process - especially if the differences are subtle. Being able to close my eyes and just toggle will be awesome. I like the idea of toggling a bunch of times without counting so that I don't know which chain I'm using, then do the critical listening of AB...
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/07/26 11:40:31
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smallstonefan
I like the idea of toggling a bunch of times without counting so that I don't know which chain I'm using, then do the critical listening of AB...
That's exactly what I do when trying to compare signal processors etc. I guess it's the closest one person can come to blind testing.
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/07/26 16:56:07
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I would like to see a convolution reverb pro channel.... Where you could drag IR from browser to the PC fo seamles integration...
Channel tool would be a nice addition but is it pretty easy to create one?
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Del
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/07/28 10:57:37
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jb101
"As you may have gathered, I like the ProChannel, and think the implementation of PC FXChains was a stroke of genius."
jb101 - I second that!
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/19 23:53:46
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Anderton
smallstonefan
I do wish there was a way to have a single button to toggle between two different FX Chains to A/B different approaches to a track...
There's a workaround for that.
1. Clone the track. Insert the FX chain "A" in one track, and the FX chain "B" in the other.
2. Turn on one track's mute switch.
3. Group the mute switches for both tracks.
Now when you enable one mute switch the other will turn off, and vice-versa.
Show me where, in any tutorial, what all grouping can apply to!!!!!!! How can this not be the topic of a way long, way slow, extremely explicit, video, for all to view?
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/20 05:12:48
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I use the Izotope Stereo Image plugin (from Ozone 5). The best tool for it's designed purpose in my opinion. For quick easy delays I often use Audio Damage's Dubstation. When getting creative I use SugarBytes Effectrix and Blue Cat Audio's MB-7 mixer. I also make extensive use of the Soundtoys plugins, superb. These, of course, are inserted into the Pro Channel FX Chain module where I've created custom controls to quickly access the parameters I most frequently use. I love the FX Chain module, and would absolutely love more Pro Channel modules…please 
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Paul G
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/20 12:01:52
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Anderton
Being able to switch in an A/B fashion makes it easier to do comparisons...you don't have a time when both are on at the same time, or both are off at the same time. But yes indeed...many ways to skin the cat, that's for sure.
You had to bring cat skinning into this didn't you Craig?  Thanks for starting this thread. Lot of good info. I asked this back when the PC was first introduced but I'll ask again. What's the possibility of getting presets for the individual PC modules? I can't see how this would be a bad thing. Paul 
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/20 12:17:29
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Paul G I asked this back when the PC was first introduced but I'll ask again. What's the possibility of getting presets for the individual PC modules? I wouldn't know the answer, I just use this stuff
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/20 12:56:07
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PC modules wish list:
- External Insert
- Channel Tools
- Versatile gate / expander (like Sonitus:Gate)
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/20 13:59:56
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MakeShift
What you have listed already Craig are good suggestions. I honestly do not use the FX Bin much any more, other than when I drop in an Amp Sim. I like the PC and adding the FX Chain box because I can see exactly in the signal chain where everything is placed.
What still throughs me all the time is the Pre and Post on the PC. When ever I have something in the FX Bin and PC going at the same time, the plug in the FX Bin will not be reacting for me the way I want. It will take me forever to remember to check to see if I switched the PC to Post and it never fails that is my issue.
Bring up the Console view for a quick look (I keep it docked in the background, and type "D" to toggle it in and out). There's a Post button in the PC section of the channel strip.
This has been an issue for me as well... All solutions require extra "work"... Simply adding a pre/post button to the PC header is a better solution for me... Especially as clinging a track loses the post setting when cloning tracks... I always get annoyed when I forget to reset this after cloning a guitar track or such when I have an amp sim in the bin and want the PC after it... Yes, I could start using the fx chains to add the device inside the PC in it's desired position... I guess that would be a way around this issue? Keni
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/20 14:07:15
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scook
The ProChannel was very limited in X1. Even with X1 Expanded, the FX chains could only be used in the FX bin. The ProChannel became a suitable replacement for the FX bin starting with X2.
I guess I agree that I really should be simply using fx bins in the PC more often... That would probably save me a bunch of work... I wonder why I feel so reluctant to do so much of the time? I'm gonna start doing this more often and see how it feels for me... Thanks for getting me over this issue... It would be cool if ther was some way to force VST graphics to conform to PC needs and then be able to load VST modules individually and visibly... That would save me a lot of time... Keni
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/20 14:17:39
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Pardon me if I've strayed from the thread...
As far as individual modules to add? That's a tough one as we all work so differently... And own different 3rd party plugins...
Personally, I'm very pleased and satisfied with the current roster of PC plugins... And then some. Coming from the old analog world of consoles, it was a big issue when EQ was added to channels/boards to begin with... Then later people adding compressors too.... These are the two most basic additional devices we use...
So I for one would rather the Bakers spend their' time working on other aspects than creating more PC modules...
I'm used to picking a board I like which accommodates my basic needs, then use outboard devices as needed/desired...
The fx chains are a great step in this as they allow us very versatile placement of our exta devices instead of standing in a stack on the producer's desk with patch cords running to the patch bay...
Channel Tools? That would be a great device to always have on all tracks... But I'd end up needing to move it's position much of the time... First/last... And as we can save our own PC configuration for defaults, it's simple enough to add any VST devices and have them in the PC as personal likes for each of us...
As to having devices take up room in the PC? Simple enough to expose/hide any module from it's header.... Maybe making the header narrower?
Keni
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/20 14:20:53
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Del
jb101
"As you may have gathered, I like the ProChannel, and think the implementation of PC FXChains was a stroke of genius."
jb101 - I second that!
I guess I'm with you guys on this... It really is an elegant solution to the dilemma we were all dealing with prior to fx chains in the PC! Keni
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/20 16:26:09
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Interesting read. I have to admit I was still using the old-fashioned FX Bin for everything until I read through this, and I've just spent some time revamping a mix with FX Chains in the Pro Channel. I think I'm gonna like that workflow, even if I only use it as a container more than I use the actual controls in the FX Chain. One thing I've always disliked is how cramped the FX bin is. Kind of a cool feature I never worked with due to some fear of new bugs or some incompatibility with UAD, but it seems to be working pretty well so far.
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/21 00:02:33
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BJN
The ProCh grew on me and it has been my preference for a while but I'd like to see on off buttons in the console view for every FX enabled. I haven't jumped on all modules available except the occasional special I have managed to catch.
I do like it, but I'd like to see a fav from an old board I used in the good ol days.
It was an Image Width Control of the SSL 611S on the Stereo channel module.
I too have used the FX bin for additional FX and the FX chain is something for me to explore as well.
That is a great idea. I am very much for that.
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/21 02:19:11
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John
BJN
The ProCh grew on me and it has been my preference for a while but I'd like to see on off buttons in the console view for every FX enabled. I haven't jumped on all modules available except the occasional special I have managed to catch.
I do like it, but I'd like to see a fav from an old board I used in the good ol days.
It was an Image Width Control of the SSL 611S on the Stereo channel module.
I too have used the FX bin for additional FX and the FX chain is something for me to explore as well.
That is a great idea. I am very much for that.
Assuming I understand what you want, Channel Tools does that very well. You can narrow the image to mono, spread "stereo" over any part of the stereo field (e.g., from center to right), narrow stereo to be more mono, etc.
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/21 07:32:23
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Anderton
Assuming I understand what you want, Channel Tools does that very well. You can narrow the image to mono, spread "stereo" over any part of the stereo field (e.g., from center to right), narrow stereo to be more mono, etc.
Agreed Craig. And Channel Tools does this very well. There are also many third party plugs that do this also. Each with it's own set of features for doing the same thing.
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Re: Non-ProChannel Plugs Worth Putting in the ProChannel?
2014/09/21 10:16:54
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This is golden info.Thanks to all but please don`t call the Pro Channel PC.
You know PC is used for Personal Computer.
Peace
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