perfectprint
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Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
single vocal audio file in the project that i am trying to clean up. cursor keeps spinning for 30 seconds or more if i move a clip around. saving is slow too, and zooming in makes everyting sluggish.
what do i need to change to get Sonar to behave properly?????
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scook
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/25 18:27:38
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Could it be a very large project file maybe blown out by audio snap markers. If this is the case, try saving the project as a bundle then reopen the bundle. This will resize the project file and eliminate the audio snap markers.
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perfectprint
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/25 18:46:09
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never used bundles before. hasnt had any effect though. sluggish as ever. taking over a minute to move a clip
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/25 18:47:38
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This probably isn't it, but if you're really low on RAM, Windows will swap to the hard drive and that slows things to a crawl. Make sure a lot of crap doesn't load into your computer on startup.
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/25 18:50:06
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Yup system and software specs please (see my sig for example).
Thanks.
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/25 18:51:19
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What if you just save and restart?
Also, are you using Melodyne on any of this?
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/25 18:53:20
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Might want to volunteer some more information such as project sample rate and bit depth. Is this project on a internal or external drive? How large is the clip? How large is the project file? What else is running on the machine? Has the machine been recently rebooted?
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perfectprint
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/25 19:21:39
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quad core AMD, 4 gigs of RAM 64 bit w7- system can handle plenty.
checked the file size: 500mb, 16b 44.1 mono. 1h45 minutes in length. that is the only file in the session.
restarted and all that jazz.
on the plus side i have discovered you can press escape to cancel moving a clip if you are holding it!
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/25 19:35:55
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Would be nice to have a lot more info (please see my sig) - for instance 64 bit Sonar? X3E? Audio Interface?
Anyway what Scook says.
Have you checked the process and memory usage in task manager? Also consider a disk defrag.
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/25 19:36:01
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4GB RAM is pretty much just enough for a computer to wake up in the morning. I'm writing this on a 64-bit Vista laptop (uses less memory than W7) and 50% of the memory is being used just to run Chrome with a tab open to reply to your post. I have hardly any services that load on startup. So there's not much going on in the RAM...if I opened up Sonar with a 500MB file, it would probably bring this computer to its knees.
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/25 19:52:13
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everything 64 bit, producer, with an Emu 0404, processor is....... phenom II black edition I think. yeah i have done all the prelims. Ram usage is at 1.3gb idle going up to 1.5 with the project loaded. 5%cpu usage. I have run huge sessions with no problem for years with 4gb being more than enough.
I know w7 appears to use more ram than before, but from what i understand it preloads, then drops when you actually need more available.
tried hosting the project from both c:/ and secondary drive.
i was running similar sessions on my less powerful MBP last week (not with me right now), also with 4gb of ram.
I know I have seen this problem posted before, but cant find a record of any solution.
thanks for the response guys!
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/25 23:42:52
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i think its the massive number of clips on a single track causing the problem. there are probably a few thousand after removing silence. a new track in the same project with a few clips seems to be responding fine. anyone know where the bottleneck is?
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/26 01:38:40
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Are you using X3E? Have you defragged?
Merge the clips/bounce the track....Ta.
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/26 14:43:44
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When you say that RAM usage is 1.5GB with the project loaded, is that total RAM usage including Windows, etc? If so, then there's around 2.5GB free? How about CPU usage both at project load and while trying to move a clip?
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/26 15:13:19
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Ram usage is for the whole system, yes. A full 2.5 gigs free.
CPU usage of just Sonar jumps from ~3% to 25% when moving a clip. (33% system total)
On a separate track, with fewer clips, Sonar CPU usage jumps to just 10% and there is no delay in moving.
I am obviously exceeding the max number of clips allowed on a track, but at a glance my system hardly seems stressed, so is this a Sonar limitiation.
ill just come up with a workaround next one of these projects I do.
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Re: Long audio file to edit and sonar keeps freezing everytime I move a clip
2014/09/26 15:37:49
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Thousands of clips in a 1 hour 45 minute track is a little extreme. It does not exceed any limit within SONAR but may be a little difficult for this particular machine to handle. I can't imagine trying to run the project on the system drive. It is not clear how the "secondary drive" is attached to the PC. The project file may be larger than normal but have no information about it. Hopefully virus scanning has been turned off for the directories storing the project and audio data.
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