Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player

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2014/09/26 16:18:06 (permalink)

Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player

Can somebody name this instrument for me?
 
At the 15-second mark: There is a guitar that chimes in over the bass. In the next section, it multiplies into a chorus. The instrument that goes: "Bew...bewbewbewbew bew bewbew..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn-enjcgV1o
 
Can someone tell me what this instrument is? I would like to use this in my song. (I have all Cakewalk SoundCenter packs, Studio Instruments, Roland GrooveSynth and of course, TTS.)
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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/26 16:40:27 (permalink)
    This is a guitar going through a Leslie Rotary Speaker ... it was a fad in those days.  Hope this helps.
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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 09:27:12 (permalink)
    I've always thought of Player as being a tight band but that may be the worst lip syncing I've ever seen (unless the drummer has a ride cymbal that sounds exactly like a closed HH ...and crashes that don't move when you hit them).
    BTW, it sounds more like "Dew...dewdewdewdew dew dewdew..." to me 

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 09:40:40 (permalink)
    SONARtist
    This is a guitar going through a Leslie Rotary Speaker ... it was a fad in those days.  Hope this helps.

    ^^^ This
    From 0:13 - 0:24 it's a single guitar line
    From 0:25 - 0:36 it's a harmonized guitar line 
     
    of course, there is reverb and maybe a little delay added as well.

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 11:46:32 (permalink)
    Unfortunately, a Leslie sim isn't included in any of SONAR's bundled effects or instruments, AFAIK. However, there are many third-party options, including a few freebies. Many effect collections such as Guitar Rig and Amplitube include one. Xils makes a good one, so does Meldaproduction.
     
    Google "VST Leslie". 


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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 15:44:09 (permalink)
    Are you sure it is a Leslie Rotary speaker?
     
    I have never played through a real Leslie Rotary speaker (so what do I know) but the oscillation rate on that sound in the video seems pretty fast. Can a Leslie Rotary speaker rotate that fast?
     
    Plus, there seems to be almost a "wah" type of affect. Could it be a phaser? I have played phasers that kind of sound like that.
     
    Either way, it sounds pretty cool. I had forgot about that song. I think the last time I heard it was on the Simpsons when Homer lost Maggie when he was baby sitting her :-)

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 17:03:39 (permalink)
    Flanger.
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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 17:45:43 (permalink)
    Could be any one of a number of effects. I doubt it's a physical rotating speaker, though, it's something electronic. If I get a chance tonight I'll see if I can come up with something. It would be a fun puzzle.

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 18:14:55 (permalink)
    An interesting article about Leslie cabinets mentioning "Baby Come Back" as an example of playing guitar through a Leslie http://www.theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/mystery/mystery.html 
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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 18:26:31 (permalink)
    scook
    An interesting article about Leslie cabinets mentioning "Baby Come Back" as an example of playing guitar through a Leslie http://www.theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/mystery/mystery.html 


    Oh. Well there you go. :-)
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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 19:41:18 (permalink)
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    An interesting article about Leslie cabinets mentioning "Baby Come Back" as an example of playing guitar through a Leslie http://www.theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/mystery/mystery.html 




    Interesting. I've recorded guitar through a Leslie more than once, and it didn't sound like that...

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 20:57:55 (permalink)
    Here's the closest I could come with the Sonitus Modulator, without obsessing.
     

     
    It still sounds a lot more like a phaser with feedback than a Leslie, although I suppose they could have fed some of the signal back at the console.

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 21:11:10 (permalink)
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    I've always thought of Player as being a tight band but that may be the worst lip syncing I've ever seen (unless the drummer has a ride cymbal that sounds exactly like a closed HH ...and crashes that don't move when you hit them).
    BTW, it sounds more like "Dew...dewdewdewdew dew dewdew..." to me 




    I think your mistaken. He plays the ride quite a bit though this song. I listened several times only because the difference was so subtle it was hard to hear right away. The ring of the ride is so damped I can see why you would say that though.

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 21:11:52 (permalink)
    FWIW, I tried getting this sound with Guitar Rig's Rotator and also with their Phaser 9. No question the phaser nailed the sound much, much closer than the rotating speaker emulator, which didn't come close. Leslies just didn't have that kind of resonance.
     
    If you want to hear guitar through Leslie, listen to Cream's "Badge" starting at about 1:09: 
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeGyQIgvSV0
     
    It's the slower Leslie speed, but you can hear it has a completely different character. This is the guitar sound I recall getting on Mandrake's "Puzzle" album.
     

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 21:20:02 (permalink)
    Yeah, I would have guessed phase shifter too, had I not found the article which I linked above. Of course, it does not go into any detail about the recording.
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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/27 21:50:41 (permalink)
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    Yeah, I would have guessed phase shifter too, had I not found the article which I linked above. Of course, it does not go into any detail about the recording.



    If it is a Leslie, it's the only guitar-through-Leslie-at-the-higher-speed I've heard with that timbre. I think the bottom line is that if someone wants to reproduce that sound, they'll come a lot closer with a phase shifter than with a Leslie. Player may have been using one of the many Leslie simulators, like the Rotovibe, and that detail didn't make it into the article.
     
    Listen to the opening to the J Geils' band "The Usual Place"...that's what a guitar through a Leslie at high speed sounds like. It has much more in common with tremolo than a phase shifter.
     
    Oh, and to keep the lawyers at bay...Leslie is trademarked by Hammond Suzuki, USA Inc.

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/28 02:47:26 (permalink)
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    An interesting article about Leslie cabinets mentioning "Baby Come Back" as an example of playing guitar through a Leslie http://www.theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/mystery/mystery.html



    Just because it's stated in a published article doesn't necessarily mean it's correct. The same article also claims that Alan Price used a Hammond Organ on "House of the Rising Sun", contradicting other sources that say he used a Vox Continental.

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/28 07:58:54 (permalink)
    There's a couple of Peter Frampton songs on his live album from back in the day. When he switches to fast speeds you can tell it is not the same timbre as an electronic effect such as a phaser or flanger. I think "Do You Feel Like I Do" that has the best example of guitar thru leslie at fast speed. 

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/28 09:43:12 (permalink)
    I'll play.  Maestro PS-1A Phase Shifter - 6 stage design by Tom Oberheim.  Set to Fast Phase.
     

     
     
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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/28 10:19:15 (permalink)
    390 rpm at 4/4 is 97.5 bpm.


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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/28 10:36:26 (permalink)
    Although I'm a keyboarder, we played this song with the band I was with in the 70's.  The guitarist used my Leslie 760 to get that effect, and it was a "common" practice at the time (as soon as someone came up with a "new sound" everyone started copying it ... a bit like the Autotune nowadays).
    I also ran my Fender Rhodes thru' a Leslie sometimes, and used a lot of guitar FX boxes (Mutron etc.) with my keyboards.
     
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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/28 10:38:52 (permalink)
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    An interesting article about Leslie cabinets mentioning "Baby Come Back" as an example of playing guitar through a Leslie http://www.theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/mystery/mystery.html



    Just because it's stated in a published article doesn't necessarily mean it's correct. The same article also claims that Alan Price used a Hammond Organ on "House of the Rising Sun", contradicting other sources that say he used a Vox Continental.


    It was definitely a Vox Continental.  No Hammond could produce such a "crappy" sound ;-)  They used to tour a lot and I think they didn't wanna lug a B3 around everywhere ...
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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/28 10:51:04 (permalink)
    Did anyone try the preset in post #12? It comes pretty close, could come closer with more tweaking.
     
    One thing that's weird about the Phaser 6 algorithm is that its rate seems much slower than what's indicated. I had to use the double-peak LFO waveform to get it to be fast enough, which affects the emulation. Top speed on the older Leslies was around 6.6 Hz, although that varied...some didn't get much past 5.5 Hz.
     
    The coolest thing about the Leslie was being able to accelerate and decelerate between the two speeds....

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/28 11:15:17 (permalink)
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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/28 11:21:50 (permalink)

    390 rpm at 4/4 is 97.5 bpm.



    At 97.5 bpm, a 1/16th note is of 153.85ms duration, or put another way, it *beats* at 6.50Hz.


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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/28 11:26:30 (permalink)
    The coolest thing about the Leslie was being able to accelerate and decelerate between the two speeds....

    That's what I miss about the Maestro, too.  Some emulations attempt that to capture that inertia, but...
     
    I stumbled across a guy trying this in a TC Electronic G-System.  Sounds a bit too "wow-y" for my tastes, but it's still interesting see the process dissected, including the harmonized line.  (I might've gone with C# Aeolian, though.)
     
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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/28 16:52:54 (permalink)
    I think, also, we're missing that there is a definite wah sound as well as the modulation sound. It sounds to me as if there is a wah pedal or a triggered wah being sent through whatever modulation effect. It also is a very dry sound as well.

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/28 18:19:56 (permalink)
    So, sure sounds like the good old UNI VIBE to me.

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/28 20:25:12 (permalink)
    Hey Grundberg - did you try my Sonitus Modulator settings?

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    Re: Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player 2014/09/29 11:08:43 (permalink)
    One of the Leslie Sims that haven't been mentioned is the one contained in Native Instruments B4.  You can use an instance as an insert effect to get not only the Doppler effect with the bass rotor slow down inertia and the tube amp grind.  I would hope that B4 II and Vintage Organs retained that capability.
     
    I've used this as a clip plug-in on a live multi-track recording to dress up the keyboard player's organ patch (that was less than stellar).

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