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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/12 20:28:23 (permalink)
Really creative. I thoroughly enjoyed the mixes. I have no useful advice on plugins. For me, I pick kinda randomly. I know a certain set of plugins pretty well and I tend to use them a lot.
 
One that I regularly use is MeldaProductions M-AutoAlign. It's useful for calculating offsets for mics and reducing phasing issues. It's kind cool. I know where the mics were in the room, and it often exactly calculates the number of feet between the mics (or fairly close anyway) as shown in the milliseconds of offset.

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 04:45:52 (permalink)
I think if you absolutely must spend some money on plugs, Ozone is a good buy. It's downpriced a lot right now because version 6 is coming out. It's a well-respected home mastering solution and will add a little sparkle to your stuff (which I agree can also be improved with regular EQing). Be careful with the presets, they're often stronger than what you need.

That said, I still feel weird giving plugin advice when you don't really know what you need ;)
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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 05:43:56 (permalink)
I think Ozone is a good buy as regards "Bang for buck". I also like a lot of the PSP stuff as well, but Ozone has it "all in one place". They have a demo available that'll give you an idea of it before splashing out for it. 
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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 07:20:00 (permalink)
So, I listened to the DEMO tracks and this reminded me when DEMO's were recorded back in the day.  Today, with so many tools available, frequently it is hard to tell a DEMO track from a FINAL MIX.
 
But the minimalist approach to those mixes leaves a lot of imagination up to a producer for arranging (I know there were a few spots where you already "pre arranged" some parts). Which, to me, is a good thing.
 
I do assume the purpose of these tracks is to sell your SONGS and not YOURSELF as a musician based on your OP.
 
I thought that some of your ideas were real good (albeit, couldn't understand all the lyrics too well). So, for DEMO purposes, I think both tracks do the job.
 
Good work, keep it up. No real advice from me on what plugins to recommend.... if you could be more specific of what type of processing you think you are lacking, I am sure that you would/could get tons of advice on specific function plugins.
 
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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 08:06:42 (permalink)
Ozone 6 .............coming soon ;)
 
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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 09:08:34 (permalink)
wavearts power suite for your bread-and-butters, if not already mentioned, demos available http://wavearts.com/

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 09:26:08 (permalink)
I was in a similar situation with the OP a year ago and after my searching, I went with the Christmas deal on iZotope's "Studio Bundle" (Nectar 2 (vocals), Alloy 2 (mixing), Ozone 5 (mastering)). In 15 years, this was the first time I had purchased a non-Cakewalk plugin. To reiterate comments made above, I think the best feature of these is that they are essentially "stand-alone effect chains," which fits well with Beepster's minimalist comment (and is a personal pursuit of mine as well). I had done a bit of research on options prior to this purchase, and made full use of their 10-day trial prior to buying them. Interestingly, they have features in them that are not spelled out in their manual, and I found by randomly clicking around the UIs; but the plugins themselves are very capable and tweakable, and allow for saving as presets to enable faster workflows with each use. Ironically, there was a thread about FabFilter Pro-Q shortly after I made my purchase and I saw a tutorial on mid/side EQ... at that time I thought "Oh well, I have already committed to iZotope," but turned out that iZotope plugins have this capability as well. Overall, I think these carry very high "bang for the buck" value with them.
 
As an aside, iZotope also has free guides posted on their website. These are written at a more "global" level, so can be applied to any similar plugin, but of course the details are focused to their specific products. The Alloy 2 guide has nice mixing tips, and the Ozone 5 guides have mastering advice and tips on dithering. https://www.izotope.com/en/support/support-resources/guides/

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 09:56:50 (permalink)
I guess I should point out at this stage that if the conversation goes to much towards 3rd party software then it should really be in the Software forum.  That is what it's for after all...
 
Just saying.

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 10:02:18 (permalink)
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I guess I should point out at this stage that if the conversation goes to much towards 3rd party software then it should really be in the Software forum.  That is what it's for after all...
 
Just saying.


given the thread title, how could it not be?

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 10:05:23 (permalink)
And Sonar X3 is also software ;)
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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 10:42:48 (permalink)
None of us here are really discussing Sonar. It's just been mentioned a few times, so the thread probably should be moved. Anyway please carry on don't want to hijack the thread with talking about how it should be managed. Otherwise might be moving it to forum discussion forum :)

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 11:07:29 (permalink)
The reason I posted here is that I was looking for plugins to COMPLIMENT the stock X3 plugins so wanted to "target" X3 users
 
However, due to the development of the thread I agree the software forum is probably now a better fit
 
 
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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 11:07:57 (permalink)
ok,  I tried to keep it X3 related by suggesting the OP tried out more of the bundled stuff and the additional PC plugs,  but to save further argument, it's being moved.

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 11:37:42 (permalink)
Boydie
The reason I posted here is that I was looking for plugins to COMPLIMENT the stock X3 plugins so wanted to "target" X3 users

makes sense
Boydie 
However, due to the development of the thread I agree the software forum is probably now a better fit

i don't understand how you or anyone could have expected anything else? without the sonar context the question is nonsensical

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 12:55:00 (permalink)
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...I was looking for plugins to COMPLIMENT the stock X3 plugins...

With that specific focus in mind, what you want to be looking at are things that aren't already bundled with SONAR -- NOT things that may or may not do the same stuff better. Fortunately, you really do already have - literally - everything you need in X3. Not just blowin' smoke; you really do.
 
That wasn't always the case. For a long time SONAR didn't have an opto-style compressor or a good auto-release limiter and everybody had to go third-party. Today, though, every basic category is covered. Not just adequately, but well-covered and perfectly capable of making professional-quality records. 
 
So what's X3 still missing? I can think of only two things: a dynamic equalizer and a really good harmonic exciter. The best of the dynamic EQ category would be either MDynamicEQ or MAutoDynamicEQ from Meldaproduction. Both have been on sale multiple times this year. For harmonic exciter, SDRR from Klanghelm is good and cheap. But if you go with Ozone, it includes an excellent exciter, negating the need to buy another one.
 
Third-party mastering tools remain popular, but mostly for ease-of-use - not because they're drastically "better". Ozone would top the list of plugins that don't do anything new but are just easier to get good results with. But it's largely a matter of personal taste. Ask for recommendations and you'll get as many opinions as there are users for each of the popular products. Truth is, all of them do just fine. But Ozone is far and away the easiest to use.
 


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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 13:03:59 (permalink)
i use very few plugins,
some are freebies i've collected as i find particularly good ones (such as SPAN)
 
but
 
i use the WAVES plugins the most.
 
my go-to plugs:
L1 (mixing)
Renaissance comp (mixing)
Renaissance Channel (mixing)
C1 Compressor (mixing)
Deesser (mixing)
Renaissance Reverb (mixing)
SuperTap (mixing)
 
L2 (mastering)
LPMBC (mastering)
Linear Phase EQ (mastering)


 
i can do everything i need to do, with just those plugs.
 
 
 
but i also use the Sonitus Plugs (i'm still on Sonar 6 PE)
 
i use the EQ on almost every track, and i like the delay mono compressor

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 13:29:29 (permalink)
Ozone & Waves +1 ...consolidated interface. Ozone starts you out with some workable presets, but you'll want to adjust them to your mix for optimum sound. Izotope offers a free online publication to cover the basics of mixing a master and some of their ideas on mixing approaches.
 
Honestly in a few cases I have used The basic plug-ins in Sonar X-3 and have gotten the same or better results as I did using Ozone. Don't forget that Sonar X-3 has pre built effects plug in chains for both channel and master work. So I don't necessarily always use Ozone, but if I were to steer you to something that can be an additional help that would be it. 
 
Some Waves plug-in are better than others. They tend to have a high level of quality though overall. I think you can download a free demo to try their stuff out. Good luck!

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 15:55:27 (permalink)
Now that this is moved I will throw a bit of a somewhat controversial option your way. You already have a lot of tools between Sonar and Komplete. Won't argue with suggestions to get Ozone or Waves. One thing I would throw in is perhaps pick up Fl studio if your focus is on top 40. Many top 40 songs now are put together using primarily presets from the synths included in FL. Granted they are all mastered in other software, but cranking out material like Iggy Azzelia's "Fancy" or Katy Perry's Dark Horse in FL is laughably easy in FL compared to most software.
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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 16:09:18 (permalink)
When it comes to plugins, the best choices come down to personal preference.  Sound quality differs, but these days you can achieve good sonic results from just about anything if you work with it enough.  So, other factors like ease of use, stability, CPU usage, support policies, and price are more relevant factors.  And these likely will differ from user to user, so demoing the tools that interest you on your system with your material is a must!
 
The real benefit to third-party tools comes in when something about them clicks with your personal tastes and workflow.  If you really enjoy using a particular tool, you're likely to get your money's worth out of it, since you aren't struggling with poor GUIs or glitches and can focus on more creative matters. 
 
Now, there are cases where you want something specific and can't really achieve it with stock plugins.  Say, a lush Lexicon reverb sound or an authentic 1176 smack on your snare drum.  Third parties to the rescue in these cases, but again, it won't matter much unless you know how to use the tools. 
 
For me, the bottom line is that if a tool comes along that clearly improves on my existing stuff in some way, and it's priced fairly, then it's a good purchase.  Plugin technology is constantly improving, and is a fascinating industry.  Lots of fun to watch the market and play with new toys ... and sometimes buy them.   
 
Oh, and Ozone / Alloy are fine, but iZotope plugs aren't known for being CPU-friendly, so a demo is important to see if they'll actually be usable for you.  The Waves Gold bundle is also very comprehensive and a good value when on sale.  The ToneBoosters line is probably the best bang-for-buck suite on the market.  Higher-end tools from the likes of FabFilter, UA, and HOFA are worth looking into if your budget can take it.  Anyway, good luck and have fun! 
 
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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Compliment Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 16:11:25 (permalink)
Boydie

I am in a fortunate position where I can buy some plugins at the moment and Waves, Ozone etc. are names that keep cropping up in videos I am watching

I am just starting to research what is "out there" and wondered what other people are using

If everyone says - "xyz is a must have and I use it on all my projects because..." I can check it out


I'll put it simply. iZotope Ozone is well-known for enabling you to put some finishing touches on the overall mix.

For your question I encourage you to check out iZotope's Alloy 2. I put it on a heck of a lot of tracks. It's just one plug-in, loaded with lots of intuitive features and an excellent selection of presets. The presets alone can help you get close to what you want fast.

If you're looking for a bang for the budget, I believe iZotope offers a bundle (that's what I purchased) where you get Ozone, Alloy 2 and Nectar 2 all in one bundle. They are all excellent and might be close to the one stop shop you're aiming for. To top it off, they have consistent interfaces and settings so it is easy to use the all quickly.

There are Groove3 tutorials for each. You could get the Alloy 2 tutorial for a low cost, see how it works from that tutorial (and hear it in action) and learn it at the same time for next to nothing. Before making a decision.

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Compliment Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 16:44:00 (permalink)
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It's very much an individuals choice IMHO on where you end up spending the money... I would subscribe to Groove3 myself.



That's a most excellent piece of advice.  And if they (Groove 3) are true to form, you'll be able to get an annual full access one-year pass in Nov. for 99 bucks.  I'll be signing up for the third year straight if they deliver on the special price once again.
 
The other advice is to just be patient and watch the marketplace.  I've gotten some outrageously good bundle prices in the occasional group buy or special sale.  I picked up everything (at the time) in Nomad Factory's catalog for a hundred bucks a few years back.  There was a recent sale of the Plug & Mix VIP bundle for 49 bucks recently, if I'm not mistaken.  Now, not everything in either of these packages is useful or even very good.  But there are some gems in both, and for the price, these were wonderful buys.  But don't be in a hurry.  What came with SONAR should keep you happily mixing for the moment.
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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Compliment Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 18:28:34 (permalink)
Thanks guys, lots of interesting views and ideas!
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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Compliment Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/13 19:20:57 (permalink)
You can get great deals on Ik Multimedia's T-racks Deluxe at sites like KVR. I got it for $69 and all processors work as single plugins. I would suggest you buy Cakewalk's Pro channel stuff, they are very good IMHO. Fab Filter's mastering bundle is very nice, but If your on a budget look at Toneboosters, Klanghelm and Hornet. For a very nice Limiter try the free LimiterNo.6 and Loudmax.

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Compliment Sonar X3 Producer 2014/10/14 13:00:58 (permalink)
OK - I know you are interested in adding to your stable of plugins, but I'd like to first discuss the song  "Shut the Door".  You and your musical partner(s) are talented - this is very cool tune. 
Now - regarding software - if you gotta get something, I will echo those who suggest Ozone.  It's a quick easy way to
try a lot of different treatments (using the presets) and then focusing in on those you find beneficial.
IMHO - if you really want to "up your game" - I would suggest you instead critically review your monitors and listening (acoustical) environment.  Often the most benefit is made from really studying reference tracks that have the production you are striving for, and then attempting to emulate it.  This process works best in a good listening environment.  Bottom line:  decent monitors in a controlled acoustic environment....  ( Iknow it's a boring answer but really is important  )

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Compliment Sonar X3 Producer 2014/11/03 07:27:10 (permalink)
Bit late to this discussion, sorry.
I have ended up with Melda SpectralDynamics because I was trying to use the LP64 as a dynamic EQ but it just wasn't quite cutting it. Also, the Waves DeEsser because it has a few more tweaks than the VX64 vocal strip. I've tried a few other Waves plugs and I have the free Melda plugs but I always seem to go back to Sonar's plugs and Pro channel, as everyone seems to agree, they do everything needed, very quickly and very well at that.
I don't have a dedicating mastering suite, but then again I don't think I have the listening environment or the need yet, I tend to outsource any songs that need mastering to an engineer that I have known for a long time and trust his ears and equipment better than my own. It's also good to get a fresh set of ears listening to my mixes because by the time I've finished with them I am too invested in their sound to make any drastic changes.
I guess I'm agreeing with those that are saying, look for a need and go from there.

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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/11/03 19:58:33 (permalink)
"so I have around £200 (GBP) to improve my set-up" 
 
I still don't know what that funny cymbal is in front of the number 200?
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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/11/04 03:24:48 (permalink)
Thanks to all

I decided to go for the Izotope Mix (Alloy 2) and Master (Ozone 5) bundle

I got a great deal and also got the free upgrade to version 6 of Ozone - although the biggest benefit is having both as I still find myself drawn to Ozone 5 but I will continue to play with 6

Alloy 2 is also really good - the transient shaper is a joy to work with and the EQ (like Ozone) is really transparent and sounds different from the Pro Channel EQ so I have a different option for EQ

All in all I am very happy!
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Re: Advice On Best Plug-In "Suite" To Complement Sonar X3 Producer 2014/11/04 03:35:09 (permalink)
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