LanceJ
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Soft instruments - instance use question
I use all soft synths/instruments. Using Kontakt5 for my question: What are your preferences or how do you go about setting up your tracks when using soft synths. I load a new instance of Kontakt5 for each instrument on it's own track and always play out of channel one. The other option is to load a single instance of Kontakt5, load all the instruments into it, and have each instrument on a separate channel. So gang, how do you prefer to handle this? I am considering the affect to the overhead and whether either method is better than the other. Regards, Lance
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/14 12:46:14
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I never do that. I always use one instance of Kontakt and point MIDI tracks to it. Kontakt can load a lot of instruments. I then send each instrument to its own audio track. I like to have first module be MIDI channel 1 and I follow that with the audio out. The next is MIDI channel 2 and so on. One neat thing people may not know about Kontakt is that suppose you decide you want a different instrument in a module in the second slot and have a number other slots full. You can replace that module by simply deleting it and open another. It will take its place. Also I never use simple instruments tracks.
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LanceJ
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/14 12:52:43
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Thanks John. I like your approach and I do use simple instrument tracks always. If you have a single soft synth structure, say Rapture, do setup your midi and audio tracks the same way?
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/14 13:14:04
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LanceJ Thanks John. I like your approach and I do use simple instrument tracks always. If you have a single soft synth structure, say Rapture, do setup your midi and audio tracks the same way?
I often have single instrument soft synths. I still use separate MIDI and audio tracks. One reason is it gives me great flexibility. Say I want to try a different soft synth. I don't even have to unload the current one just reassign the out of the MIDI track.
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/14 13:46:56
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/14 14:12:32
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I have been told that with multi-core processors like we all have (e.g., 8-core) separate instances can actually be more efficient; but obviously there are many variables. I use separate instances because it is simpler for me, but, based on this thread, I may run a few tests.
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/14 16:29:19
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I guess it also depends on the size of your projects and samples libraries. Workflow-wise, I prefer having one Kontakt per instrument unless it's a logical set like violins/violas/celli/basses. I also like splitting drums so I can use my own plugins on the various kit pieces rather than rely on the built in mixers that come with Abbey Road 60's drummer etc.
I don't usually mix piano, strings, drums, bass etc within a single Kontakt instance. I have a reasonably modern computer (i7 3770 with 8GB RAM) but nothing really top of the line and I haven't run into issues yet for my purposes.
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/14 17:46:55
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I think I might like fewer instances. Does seem like it would be a better use of overhead. Like you Conrad, I think I will experiment. It may come down to which appearance of track management I prefer. Sanderxpander, most projects are not huge so the multiple instances seem to be manageable. Plus it is easy to let everything flow through channel 1 and let the simple instrument track do the wiring. Lance
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/14 20:03:41
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Kontakt will make more efficient use of resources with fewer instances, so overall efficiency will be better with a single instance in multi-timbral mode. However, the improvement is marginal. By far the most significant resource is memory, and that's mostly determined by the libraries themselves and won't increase or decrease based on the number of Kontakt instances. Furthermore, when you use a single instance, you lose the ability to freeze each instrument independently. So if resource management is a big deal, such as somebody trying to squeeze giant libraries into limited RAM, then you may be better off with separate instances that you can freeze when you're done with them. Or at least purge the sample sets to reduce their memory footprint. If, however, CPU is your bottleneck rather than RAM, then a single instance will definitely be more CPU-friendly. Each individual instance will use the first core, whereas with multiple instruments Kontakt is smart enough to at least attempt to use one of the other cores (assuming multi-core has been enabled). My own method is a compromise between single and multiple instances. I combine instruments that are likely to be frozen as a group, such as a string section made up of 3 or 4 libraries, or a percussion group. But the big instruments that I'll be editing throughout the project (e.g. large guitar libraries) get their own instance.
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/14 20:10:25
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I seem to use only one of each synth and I too never use simple instrument tracks for the same reason as John. I often will try different synths as I get to the fussy part in mixing. My brain likes to see Audio tracks, Midi tracks and then the soft synth tracks all on there own for when it come time to use the console view. I like some tracks at full width so I can see the effects bins. A narrow track signifies it has no effect in the bin. I put all the soft synths at the top of track view. Below are all midi tracks, and on the bottom are all the audio tracks with the Vocals always at the bottom. So then these appear in console view from left to right. I have taken to using the track color to keep things nicely organized, at a glance I can tell which synth the piano is using etc. I think the reason for only needing one of each is I rarely would use 2 instruments from the same synth. TTs-1 is possibly the only multi channel synth I might use and it has a pretty good built in mixer and even usable effects.
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/14 21:14:18
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I run about 5-6 instruments max per instance of Kontakt 5, and never ever use simple instrument tracks. They just do not work for the multi-timbral synths, from what I understand. So, especially for Kontakt, I use separate audio tracks and separate midi tracks for each instrument, and use the Kontakt Batch Functions in the Output Section to set up separate stereo outputs for each loaded instrument, then insert audio tracks and midi tracks for each instrument in the Track Pane in Sonar, and route accordingly back to the corresponding instruments in Kontakt. To take the above even farther, for common combinations of loaded instruments in Kontakt, I will select the audio and midi tracks for that instance of Kontakt, then create a Sonar Track Template, which will save off all of the audio and midi tracks I set up for that instance of Kontakt, as well as the multi-rack and the loaded multiple instruments and their settings in Kontakt, all as part of that track template. Then, for new projects that use the same or similar instruments, I just insert from the saved Track Template, and all of the routing assignments, tracks, and the Kontakt instance, are all loaded into the new project with just a small number of mouse clicks. VERY handy. Hope the above helped - please post back if you have any questions about any of it. Bob Bone
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/15 09:41:12
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Bitflipper, Good information. I have had conflicting advice from different sources, and that advice varies by VI (Kontakt, Vienna, Hollywood/Play, etc.). Thanks.
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/15 10:52:48
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Single instance for each instrument here for Kontakt. It suits my work flow especially if I'm writing/editing for Orchestra.
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/15 10:57:50
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Honestly I see no advantage in having multiple instances of Kontakt for any reason. If you can have multiple audio outs which Kontakt can do the notion of having one Kontakt per one instrument seems to me to be inefficient and wasteful. However each to his/her own. Its your choice.
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LanceJ
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/15 11:18:42
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Thanks for all the input. So many variations and reasoning. Lance
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/15 13:46:27
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John Honestly I see no advantage in having multiple instances of Kontakt for any reason. If you can have multiple audio outs which Kontakt can do the notion of having one Kontakt per one instrument seems to me to be inefficient and wasteful. However each to his/her own. Its your choice.
It's just slightly quicker to set up and keep track of what's what, that's all, I think. Click insert synth, choose Kontakt, pick a sound. Rather than create a new midi track, route it, open Kontakt, add a sound, choose the correct output, label the output, etc. Just laziness but my computer seems not to care so neither do I.
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Re: Soft instruments - instance use question
2014/10/15 15:01:53
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So, did you get all that?  I personally like using multitimbral , single instance for soft synths whenever I can for track economy and I feel the performance is better. The more softsynths I open up, the more I feel I'm taxing my system. When using multiple outs, let Sonar open them all, you'll use 'em. Bitflipper's point is well noted. Multiple instances allows you to freeze any given instance, if necessary.
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