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2014/10/14 14:04:28 (permalink)

Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3

I've tried searching for similar subject lines, but found nothing of use.  
 
The project was originally created with sonar 8.5.
 
It was edited with sonar X3 using only the record function - no X3 specific Pro Channel or Effects - just DI Bass, but when the project was reopened with 8.5, Sonar application just appears to hang. No indication of what the fault is. Double checked the bit depth on all the recorded wave files and found them ranging from 16 to 32 bits.
 
Potential issue could be that the X3 Sonar instance was a 64-bit operating system and Sonar was installed as a 64-bit application, and the original project files were created on a 32-bit operating system platform, which is where we're trying to open them back up.
 
X3 config is in my sig.
 
Have tried using safe mode to open the project on the 8.5 system, but the results are the same - Sonar opens and simply does nothing.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:10:11 (permalink)
Is there a particular reason you need to open it in 8.5? The obvious answer would be to carry on working in X3.  Perhaps the prochannel has a bearing on it?
 
If safe mode doesn't work I don't know what to suggest. I rarely if ever go back a version but if I do open an old version project in a newer version I save as straight away so the original is still there. I guess that may be a little late for your case though.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:11:52 (permalink)
I'm missing the logic as to why to do this.

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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:11:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2014/10/15 10:58:05
CW is great at making sure new versions are backward compatible. However. no one can predict the future and have forward compatibility. 

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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:12:07 (permalink)
I would prefer working in X3, but my collaborator hasn't been able to afford it yet.
Thanks Karl

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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:12:19 (permalink)
When opening the Project in Sonar X3 and saving it you converted it to a X3 project, doesn't matter what you did.
8.5 cannot open X3 projects (not backward compatible)... as far as I know???
Revert to a backup assuming you took one, otherwise you are going to have to get into messy exporting.
 
Any real reason why are you reverting to 8.5?
 
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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:18:13 (permalink)
8.5 generates a message warning that the project has been edited with a newer version of Sonar.  The dialog box has the helpful "OK" button.  Pressing "OK" (as that is the only option) causes the hang.
 
I tested opening the project on my laptop - which still has 8.5 on it and for me, the dialog is followed by successful opening of the project.  My laptop is W7/64 Home.  My DAW is W7/64 Enterprise.  My collaborator is running W7/32 Pro.  My assumption is that the OS difference is causing the problem.  I just can't find a way to "save-as" the CWP to default to 32bit OS on my X3 Sonar instance.
 
Thanks all for the questions and helpful replies!
Dan
 

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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:22:20 (permalink)

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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:22:26 (permalink)
I wouldn't have thought the x32/x64 would be a show stopper and as far as I know a project is a project. If OS type was an issue that would affect an X3 x64 project being opened in X3 x32.
 
Having said that I have no idea what else might be causing it.
 
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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:23:06 (permalink)
You may want to try saving the project using the 32bit version of X3. Both 32bit and 64bit version may be installed on a 64bit host. No guarantee it will work though, I don't believe it is a 32/64bit issue. Still no harm in trying.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:31:03 (permalink)
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When opening the Project in Sonar X3 and saving it you converted it to a X3 project, doesn't matter what you did.
8.5 cannot open X3 projects (not backward compatible)... as far as I know???
Revert to a backup assuming you took one, otherwise you are going to have to get into messy exporting.
 
Any real reason why are you reverting to 8.5?
 
Cheers..


Sonar is backward compatible. New versions can and do open older projects created in older versions. Older versions are not forward compatible.  That is, an older version is not guaranteed to open a project created in a newer version. 
 
To the OP really all he needs is Sonar X3 which is $49.00 to upgrade. Surely that wont break the bank.  

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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:32:12 (permalink)
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To the OP really all he needs is Sonar X3 which is $49.00 to upgrade. Surely that wont break the bank.  


It was less than $20 a few weeks ago.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:39:10 (permalink)
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When opening the Project in Sonar X3 and saving it you converted it to a X3 project, doesn't matter what you did.
8.5 cannot open X3 projects (not backward compatible)... as far as I know???
Revert to a backup assuming you took one, otherwise you are going to have to get into messy exporting.
 
Any real reason why are you reverting to 8.5?
 
Cheers..


 
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Older versions are not forward compatible.  
Sonar is backward compatible. New versions can and do open older projects created in older versions. Older versions are not forward compatible.  That is, an older version is not guaranteed to open a project created in a newer version. 
 
To the OP really all he needs is Sonar X3 which is $49.00 to upgrade. Surely that wont break the bank.  




Sorry I meant to say Sonar 8.5 is NOT forwards compatible.... well I say that, check here .
 

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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:41:04 (permalink)
I know Alex. I just didn't want the OP to get confused. We all make typos. 

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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:42:35 (permalink)
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When opening the Project in Sonar X3 and saving it you converted it to a X3 project, doesn't matter what you did.
8.5 cannot open X3 projects (not backward compatible)... as far as I know???
Revert to a backup assuming you took one, otherwise you are going to have to get into messy exporting.
 
Any real reason why are you reverting to 8.5?
 
Cheers..


Sonar is backward compatible. New versions can and do open older projects created in older versions. Older versions are not forward compatible.  That is, an older version is not guaranteed to open a project created in a newer version. 
 
To the OP really all he needs is Sonar X3 which is $49.00 to upgrade. Surely that wont break the bank.  




Older versions should be capable of opening newer projects. The link Alex supplied specifically states that V1 & V2 cannot open X3 projects and as far back as V4 is dependent on 64-bit data.
 
There is no guarantee though. The fact the OP can open it in 8'5 on his system yet his colleague can't on a different system suggests to me that there is something more than new project/old version going on here.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:44:19 (permalink)
Note....... that's V1 & V2 NOT X1 & X2
 
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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:46:37 (permalink)
Collaborator has multiple (paying) clients.  I'm a freebie friend.  He's unwilling to change his system mid-stream.  I understand that.  He cannot afford to purchase a new PC, but that would be the ideal solution to me.
 
I will install the 32 bit version of X3 and try saving the projects and resend them to him.  We're using an external HD to transfer files since our album is almost 64Gb of raw wave so far.  I love the fact that both versions have no trouble handling the 120 + tracks we have going on some of these epic pieces!
 
Again, thanks to all of you for the insightful responses.  (And the $20 upgrade is a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned!)  I only wish I could afford to buy him a new PC...  Then he could upgrade, but keep his 8.5 system.

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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:55:39 (permalink)
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I know Alex. I just didn't want the OP to get confused. We all make typos. 




I understood and quite right! Might have been confusing myself :)

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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 14:57:15 (permalink)
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Collaborator has multiple (paying) clients.  I'm a freebie friend. 



A freebie friend that's now gonna charge him $20 for a free Sonar upgrade .
 
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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 17:16:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/10/14 22:05:55
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8.5 generates a message warning that the project has been edited with a newer version of Sonar.  The dialog box has the helpful "OK" button.  Pressing "OK" (as that is the only option) causes the hang.
 
I tested opening the project on my laptop - which still has 8.5 on it and for me, the dialog is followed by successful opening of the project.  My laptop is W7/64 Home.  My DAW is W7/64 Enterprise.  My collaborator is running W7/32 Pro.  My assumption is that the OS difference is causing the problem.  I just can't find a way to "save-as" the CWP to default to 32bit OS on my X3 Sonar instance.
 
Thanks all for the questions and helpful replies!
Dan
 

So if you can open it in your 8.5.... Save it in 8.5 and send it to your friend.

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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/14 19:43:17 (permalink)
^^^That's what I was going to suggest.
 
If you re-save it in 8.5 on your system and he still can't open it, then there's something going on besides SONAR version compatibility issues.


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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/15 08:18:23 (permalink)
X3 projects will normally open in 8.5, with potentially loss of new stuff.
If its hanging its possibly plugin related or simply a bug in 8.5 that shows up on one of your machines.

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Re: Sonar 8.5 hangs while opening a project that was edited with X3 2014/10/15 09:16:09 (permalink)
So, was the original file created on his 8.5 setup? If all you did was add "DI bass", why not just export WAV(s) for import into the project on his end?
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