A step input variation....is this in Sonar?

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A step input variation....is this in Sonar?

I use Cubase in addition to Sonar. I usually record my parts straight through, mostly a little at a time. But I tend to mess up sometimes. Who doesn't? Cubase has a feature that kind of is like step input. In this feature I'm ranting about it, you can select midi notes and play step-by-step on whatever controller and Cubase will place the selected notes on the keys that you played, in a step input fashion.
 
I'm wondering if something like this is in Sonar? I'm liking Sonar the more I use it, and if this isn't in already, I think this would make a great Feature Request.
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    scook
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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/14 22:45:02 (permalink)
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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/14 23:25:38 (permalink)
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    Step recording? http://www.cakewalk.com/D...help=Recording.27.html


    Well, no. What I'm talking about is a little different. This feature (that I've mentioned I've seen in Cubase) affects selected notes in a midi part. (notes that have already been recorded)
     
    It works when you select those notes and play a key on whatever controller. In a step recording fashion, the selected notes get placed on the keys that you played.
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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/15 09:21:33 (permalink)
    I have no idea what you are asking. Sonar has step recording. A better explanation would help.

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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/15 09:28:47 (permalink)
    Here's an example:
     
    I've recorded a midi part that contains some errors, and some notes I want to change too. Instead of using my mouse to drag the incorrect/undesired notes to the key I want, I can just highlight those notes and play the correct keys on my controller. The highlighted notes will be placed according the keys I played on my controller.
     
    I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say this isn't in Sonar X3, and I should probably make a feature request.
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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/15 09:35:12 (permalink)
    Sounds like copy and paste with step recording, and you hit a key to paste (?)

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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/15 09:40:14 (permalink)
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    Sounds like copy and paste with step recording, and you hit a key to paste (?)




    You're on the right track. Instead of using the mouse to correct the pre-recorded notes, I can select them (all at once) and play their desired pitches on my controller. I'll try to get a screencast of me doing it sometime today.
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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/15 09:45:41 (permalink)
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    Sounds like copy and paste with step recording, and you hit a key to paste (?)




    You're on the right track. Instead of using the mouse to correct the pre-recorded notes, I can select them (all at once) and play their desired pitches on my controller. I'll try to get a screencast of me doing it sometime today.




    Now I'm more confused. Play the individual notes on the controller, or as a group?

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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/15 09:59:28 (permalink)
    I "think" what the OP is stating is that, after the fact, you can click a midi note (I assume in PRV), let's say a G3 and strike a note on the controller, let's say Bb3, and the note automatically is moved to the new pitch.  I'm not sure that's any more efficient than click drag.
     
    But, perhaps it is a step function whereby it advances automatically to the next note thereby avoiding continual click strike?  This would be similar to step recording but after the notes have already been input once.
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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/15 10:02:56 (permalink)
    to me this sounds like it would be remedied with a punch in.  instead of selecting the notes you want to change, select the timeline above that section of notes you want to change.  then click on the RANGE icon for punchin on your CB (control bar).  that will also activate punchin.  now set your pointer to somewhere a measure or two in front of that first time area and hit record (you also have to have that MIDI track armed, btw).  begin playing and sonar will only record during the time that you've selected for punchin and it will stop recording after.
     
    depending on your settings (default is to record multiple takes) you will probably need to go back to the track and delete the previous take because deafult will not automatically delete it.  however, it will leave it there and muted and would not ever bother your project as a whole, if you do nothing (personally I would have to delete it, tho, I wouldn't be able to stand know it's there!  but I'm OCD about things like that!)

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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/15 10:11:56 (permalink)
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    I "think" what the OP is stating is that, after the fact, you can click a midi note (I assume in PRV), let's say a G3 and strike a note on the controller, let's say Bb3, and the note automatically is moved to the new pitch.  I'm not sure that's any more efficient than click drag.

     
    This is exactly what I'm trying to describe. Thank you. I honestly found this to be a bit of a time saver. It's a very small, seemingly insignificant, feature, but it's actually quicker than having to drag the note(s) with my mouse.
     
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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/15 10:16:02 (permalink)
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    I "think" what the OP is stating is that, after the fact, you can click a midi note (I assume in PRV), let's say a G3 and strike a note on the controller, let's say Bb3, and the note automatically is moved to the new pitch.  I'm not sure that's any more efficient than click drag.
     
    But, perhaps it is a step function whereby it advances automatically to the next note thereby avoiding continual click strike?  This would be similar to step recording but after the notes have already been input once.




    That's how I understand it as well. So, like step record in overwrite recording mode (?), except for the convenience of not having to change the note lengths and other properties. That method, if I understand it correctly, just "re-pitches" the note without changing any of its other properties.

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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/15 10:49:48 (permalink)
    No Sonar doesn't do that. You should submit a feature request for it. 

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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/15 15:56:38 (permalink)
    are you talking about the chord track in Cubase?  If you insert chord track, and set your track to follow chord track, then any wrong notes will be changed to follow chord track, could this be what you're referring to?

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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/15 19:37:21 (permalink)
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    are you talking about the chord track in Cubase?  If you insert chord track, and set your track to follow chord track, then any wrong notes will be changed to follow chord track, could this be what you're referring to?




    If so, Sonar can snap to scale. Don't use that feature much but let me see what I can do with it.

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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/15 23:27:11 (permalink)
    No, it's not the chord track. It's already been said that this isn't in Sonar. I guess this will make a great FR. :)
     
    However, I'll read up on snap to scale. I never really used the chord track in Cubase, outside of a few times. It was helpful, though. Sonar has a snap to scale? I'll read up on that. I'm liking Sonar more than Cubase in a lot of areas that are important to me.
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    Re: A step input variation....is this in Sonar? 2014/10/16 01:24:32 (permalink)
    Vern C
    No, it's not the chord track. It's already been said that this isn't in Sonar. 



    John's probably right about it not being in sonar, but there are quite a few things people think aren't in Sonar, yet they are. Also Sonar is flexible enough you can sometimes devise workarounds that do something similar.
     
    fwrend
    I "think" what the OP is stating is that, after the fact, you can click a midi note (I assume in PRV), let's say a G3 and strike a note on the controller, let's say Bb3, and the note automatically is moved to the new pitch.  I'm not sure that's any more efficient than click drag.



    I think I'm still missing something. If you want a Bb3 and you're going to need to hit a Bb3 anyway, why not just hit a Bb3 in step record mode? Why pick up another note with a different pitch first? Is there some ability to, say, select a chord and then it gets deposited on the root note? Or is the "secret sauce" that the note you play acquires the velocity, duration, length, etc. of the note you clicked on? In that case, if it's step recording, with Sonar you specify the note characteristics for the step and when you play a new step, that note has the same characteristics. So that's probably not what you're after.
     
    Or is the special feature that it is not really like step mode in that it doesn't advance through steps, but you can pretty much click anywhere, play your keyboard key, and it deposits the note or notes you clicked on previously...sort of like a keyboard-driven copy and paste? Also curious...can you select pretty much any collection of MIDI notes, even chords or groups with offset attacks or whatever, and just plop them down as if they were pasted there?
     
    My concern is that for a feature request to get traction, it's going to have to be spelled out pretty precisely or the bakers won't know exactly what it is you want. And now you've got me curious, too 

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