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2014/10/18 12:30:33 (permalink)

Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3

Has anyone tried the Surface Pro 3 with Sonar?

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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2014/10/19 20:45:05 (permalink)
The expensive one could probably run it fine.  Even storage w/ the ssd drive.  But the monitor is a bit small, esp. for touch.
 
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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2014/12/30 03:26:26 (permalink)
I installed Sonar X3 (X3e) on my new Surface Pro 3 (i5, 8Gb, 256Gb) last night. It starts quickly and smoothly and runs a couple of demo songs without any problems. Memory and processor usage are very reasonable but keep in mind that these demo songs don't heavily rely on soft synths and fx. 
 
Two concerns so far:
  • I found that sometimes Sonar 're-scales' my view, bringing it to a hardly readable resolution which I can not change back. At startup, the user interface is readable and usable.
  • I cannot select and move clips! This is very annoying and could become a showstopper for using the Surface for Sonar. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, maybe there's something wrong in my setup, I need to investigate (although the pen works fine in other applications such as OneNote and Sketchbook Pro)
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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2014/12/31 03:53:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Siessi_TOL 2017/02/23 20:52:40
Update on my previous post: I can select and move clips with the touchpad, I found out yesterday. Because of the touch capablities of the Surface I hadn't even bothered to use the touchpad yet I must admit, but apparently I need to when I use Sonar. Problem solved, although I 'lost' the mouse pointer a couple of times when I switched from touchpad to keyboard to Surface pen for navigation around the screen. This is another issue to resolve, although much less critical then being unable to select clips.
 
I'm still very happy with processor and memory use so far!
 
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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2014/12/31 08:23:20 (permalink)
We have - it works great with SONAR. Depending on which config you get its quite a powerful quad core machine. I think our marketing guys will be showing it at CES if you are in the area.

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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2014/12/31 18:02:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Siessi_TOL 2017/02/23 20:55:59
I have a Surface Pro 2 and Sonar X3 Studio. Sonar works well for what I've done so far, which is some light live recording and tracking some softsynths with MIDI. The only downside is battery life. The Surface doesn't have the greatest battery life in the world, so you would probably want to keep it plugged in. Also, the battery cover (a keyboard with a battery in it, which doubles the battery life) does not yet work with Surface Pro 3, only Surface Pro 1 and 2 models.
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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2014/12/31 21:31:30 (permalink)

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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2015/01/01 10:44:25 (permalink)
jbow, that's the highest-end version. The Surface Pro's specs drop along with the RAM and HDD space when you get the cheaper models. For example, the 128GB model comes with an i5 processor, not an i7, and the 64GB model uses an i3. The 64GB version has 4GB of RAM while the 128GB and higher have 8GB of RAM. The 64GB model goes as low as $800, and the 128GB model is right around $1,000.

Personally, I would not get a Surface Pro if you're solely looking for music production. There are, IMO, better portable PCs, even touch-capable ones, that have more power in them. That aside, I originally got the Surface Pro because of its Wacom digitizer and stylus. Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator are amazing on the Surface Pro. I've found it to be a rather versatile laptop that has the bonus of being a highly capable tablet. It's great for reading books, though some might find it a bit heavy (it really is notably more heavy when compared to the ultra-light iPad, but it's not like carrying around a brick or anything), it's great for drawing, it's great for music recording, it's great for productivity on-the-go (Open Office Writer is frequently open on my Surface), and it's nice to have a tablet that isn't reduced to being a big phone by its OS.

So, yeah, the Surface Pro can be pricey, and I really think people should evaluate exactly what they plan to do with it. If it's just checking the internet and stuff, there are tablet solutions that are better and a netbook would save you a ton of money while still being work-friendly for most tasks. If the features of the Surface sound like something you'd use, then I'd highly recommend it. The stylus is far better than most of its competition, thanks to the quality of Wacom, so it already has a big plus for most digital artists.

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I forgot to add: I'm going to be doing a video review of Music Creator 6 Touch and Sonar X3 on my Surface Pro 2 in the near future. I found that there were a lot of people with questions similar to mine about how well touch capability works, how well Sonar and MC6T run, how much battery life it uses, etc. (I'd like to get my Akai MPK mini recognizable for ACT Learning before I do the video, but it might not work out)

If any of you have any questions for me, I'll gladly answer them, here, to the best of my ability and/or try to answer them when I do my video review. I'm not very well versed in MIDI, so I might mess some terminology and be ignorant of a few things, but I feel confident enough to give an initial assessment of the overall performance for recording, softsynths, and for mixing.
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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2015/01/01 11:08:40 (permalink)
I have a SP3 and considering using X3 on it for lite acoustic recording, capturing ideas type stuff.
Couple questions if you don't mind...
What are using for audio driver?
Have you recorded anything yet? If so, what did you use for A/D?
 

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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2015/01/01 13:29:42 (permalink)
The biggest problem w/ the Surface is the lack there of - screen size.  Of course, that will be changing as ssd become standard and everything else but screen get smaller.  The idea would be like the sony tablets w/ their 20 inch screens (only bigger), 2 hard drives and up to spec processing.
 
Instead of waiting I got an all-in-one.  It has the cpu etc. in the base plate and a swiveling 23 inch screen.  Should work fine for live stuff although I'm still trying to integrate into the studio.  But as long as you don't want to drag it poolside it works.
 
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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2015/01/01 17:44:53 (permalink)
jazzbass12, so far I have only done a really basic and crappy live line-input recording using my old, around-the-back-to-get-to-the-elbow recording method.

I use 2 mics to record: an MXL 909 for vocals and a cheap kick drum mic for acoustic guitar. What I used to do was, I would run the MXL 909 into a cheap Peavey mixer for phantom power and then ran that and the kick drum mic into a 4-track. The 4-track doesn't have phantom power, so that's why I used the mixer. I'd then run the audio out for each track via line-input into the computer one at a time. The headphone jack on the Surface Pro 2 is a dual jack, so it supports both input and output. If you have a headset that can take advantage of it, it works really well. However, I am looking to drop all of that nonsense and go with an actual audio interface to make things simpler and more efficient.

I have an MTRACK Quad coming in sometime soon, and that's when I plan on starting the video review. I'm hoping to bypass all the prior nonsense I used with recording to a 4track and then running tracks individually into the line-input, and then mixing it down... I want to be able to just put both mics into the MTRACK Quad and line both of them at once and be done with that whole process.

I am currently using ASIO4ALL drivers, but I will install the Quad's ASIO drivers when it comes. ASIO4ALL should work fine, but I always install the manufacturer's drivers just in case. The Quad also supports MIDI, so I can run the Akai mini through the Quad as well.

I'm still having issues with the MPK mini in Sonar's default hardware controller surfaces setup, but, earlier today, I was able to learn how to map the rotaries easily using the AZSlow controller surface plugin. So, at least that's one bird down.
 
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I also have an actual desktop PC that I can and will use for serious mixing. My plan with the Surface Pro is to be able to use it to do quick recordings on the go and also to be able to easily record vocals. The Surface Pro makes no real perceptible noise since it mostly uses passive cooling and even when the fans are on, they're impossible for me to hear, so I would think the Surface could be great for capturing vocal performances without creating any additional noise. My desktop's fans are simply way too loud to ever be anywhere near the mic when I'm recording. I don't notice them when I'm playing games, but I certainly do when trying to record singing.
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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2015/01/02 10:54:56 (permalink)
Easy to add an external monitor, blue-toot mouse, and usb interface.
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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2015/01/02 19:31:58 (permalink)
I know a bit OT but:
 
I can say this... that the surface RT model works great as a REMOTE DESKTOP for X3 running on a desktop... I carry it around the recording room all the time and start and stop recording sessions without being at the desk.  Quite convenient, especially when I am recording myself playing guitars or keyboards.
 
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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2015/01/02 20:27:44 (permalink)
I haven't used it but I have purchased a 23" touch screen monitor for use with X3 (Windows 8.1).  It's not prime time yet.  The 23" monitor doesn't have the real-estate so I can't imagine a smaller screen would work out any better.  Of course I could be wrong about the surface pro!  I'm hoping the coders are looking more deeply into touch screens. 

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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2015/04/25 09:09:47 (permalink)
I'm now considering a Surface Pro 3 and I'm wondering if any other Sonar users have any updates or input about their experience with this combination.  I'm also curious about the use of MicroSD cards on the Surface Pro 3 to save projects for portability to my desktop.  I would expect that Class 10 cards would be a requirement, but I'm eager to see what others post based on experience. 

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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with Sonar X3 2016/01/12 07:57:40 (permalink)
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We have - it works great with SONAR. Depending on which config you get its quite a powerful quad core machine. I think our marketing guys will be showing it at CES if you are in the area.




well... there is no surface with a quad core processor - all the mobile cpus used are dual cores !!!
 
 

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