Is My Delay Compensation Totally Borked?!?
I know that this has been discussed before, but I have not found one thread that has solved timing issues with recorded audio in Sonar. I've come across several threads which describe similar problems, but they usual have resulted in long-winded explanations, arguments, and saber rattling of of egos, but no overall resolution.
The point of my post: is my delay compensation borked (i.e. defective, not working, screwed up, failed, etc.) or is something else going on here?!? 1) I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get recorded audio to line up perfectly with MIDI notes. I don't want to have to nudge stuff around constantly.
2) Each time I hit record, delay/latencies are inconsistent. First there may be 6ms of delay, next may be 9ms of delay, etc.
3) Why does the External Insert plugin completely screw with latency? I mean, this thing sucks!
First, let me ask a basic question because I really don't know:
if no matter what a plugin's latency may be, then shouldn't Sonar automatically compensate for it without having an effect of leading or lagging audio? For example, if I put an instance of the ProChannel Concrete Limiter on my master, it introduces more lag on recorded audio. Yes, I am aware that PCCL has a latency of 1.5ms, but should this not be accounted for and thereby not affect any recorded audio? In other words, it should be seamless/transparent to the user. Other plugins that I have tested don't do this (e.g. Ozone 5 with all modules turned on<--resource hog, or 6 instances of Valhalla Vintage Verb piled high). I find it odd that such a simple plugin such as PCCL can negatively tweak a project. It's almost as if PCCL is not reporting its latency to Sonar. Which brings me to another question:
how can I tell if a plugin is not reporting its latency to Sonar? Is it basically the scenario I described?
I am currently in discussion with Access in regards to an issue I am experiencing with my Virus. Overall, if I record audio from this synth and another synth, which both go through the same audio interface, the Virus audio will
lead by about 5-6msec the MIDI notes that trigger it. The other hardware synth is normal. Despite adjusting manual offset (+240 samples), I can get any other input other than the Virus to line up. The more manual offset I add, however, the further forward the Virus audio gets pushed. It may have something to do with USB-"MIDI" triggering vs. traditional MIDI triggering.
And each time I hit record, the lead/lag may change slightly. Hitting record in Sonar never is consistent. Why could this be?
And finally, the External Insert plugin completely blows. If it is added to a project, then it completely and utterly wreaks havoc on timing. What's up with this thing?
I have done extensive, time-wasting testing on this. So far, I have tried the following, all of which
have not improved anything:
1. Replaced nVidia graphics card with my old ATi graphics card.
2. Disabled and unplugged my MIDIsport interface and used an alternate MIDI port.
3. Disabled delay compensation for Virus Control.
4. Used the program LatencyMon to check for any outstanding latency issues among drivers.
I know I have asked many questions and have thrown a lot down on the table, but let's go with the easiest problem first:
issues with the External Insert plugin. This stupid plugin introduces
HUGE and
VAST amounts of delay for any recorded audio. I mean this thing is abyssal! It is so bad, it makes me think it's not even working right. I mean, how the heck could a plugin deliver
inconsistent latencies* and delays to recorded audio ranging from about
15ms to over
100ms!?? Who here uses it and does it give you problems like I am experiencing?
* "Inconsistent latencies" refers to a differing amount of delay each time I hit the record button.
post edited by 2:43AM - 2014/10/18 10:35:26