No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu?

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2014/10/17 15:23:43 (permalink)

No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu?

I am trying to use region efx on a track, but the region efx option is not appearing on the right click menu? It is nto even greyed out, simply not there. Sonar X3c.
 
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    joden
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 15:29:12 (permalink)
    Oh, and the Region Effects Drop down box (next to the Midi and Clips drop downs) on the top of the Track pane also does not drop down or do anything.
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 15:32:15 (permalink)
    To get to region effects I select an area in the timeline (right click and drag on the timeline) and select region effects from the dropdown menu just above and to the left side of the timeline.
     
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 16:09:01 (permalink)
    Hmmm. the Melodyne instructions simply say to right click the clip and select region effects? In the screen shot it shows it as above the Groove Looping tool, in the right click context menu. I am not sure "Time-Line" has anything to do with it.
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 16:32:33 (permalink)
    Maybe the VST3 version of Melodyne is not installed. Is Melodyne listed in the VST3 Celemony folder in the any FX plug-in list?
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 16:36:07 (permalink)
    No I am using the VST2 version (I think) thing is even if not using Melodyne, the Region FX still does not appear (nor is the drop down box in Track pane available either).
    And that's even with a fresh reboot of Sonar using the Normal template....same even after a PC shutdown as well. Seems like something is broken??? Believe it or not I have never used Region FX before...but thought I would try it (and Melodyne) for the first time this morning.
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 16:39:48 (permalink)
    There are no Region FX plug-in installed. The only plug-ins which will show up in Region FX are V-Vocal from a previous version of Producer and the VST3 version of Melodyne.
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 16:43:56 (permalink)
    I just did a modify of the install and when installing the VST 3 version I get the message plugin caused an error and that is "Call initProc" and then it is recommended to disable it. 
     
     
     
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 16:46:33 (permalink)
    So you have a problem installing Melodyne. Has the X3e update been applied? http://www.cakewalk.com/S...13361/SONAR-X3e-Update
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 16:52:12 (permalink)
    hmmm, maybe not...I will check. Nope, definitely X3 c...I will install the update and check it again.
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 16:58:56 (permalink)
    Just installed Xe update. Same issue with both Region FX and the "Call initProc" I bypassed the X3d update, although afaik later updates include previous updates. 
     
    So there is certainly something going amiss here.
     
    Oh and I should mention it is Melodyne Single Track I am installing. I bought the upgrade version from the Sonar Producer version, way back. 
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 17:08:02 (permalink)
    X3d is not necessary. This may be an issue related to MS C++ redistribution libs. You may want to contact tech support.
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 17:10:08 (permalink)
    joden
    Oh and I should mention it is Melodyne Single Track I am installing.

    It is the same binary. The license controls which features are available.
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 17:17:00 (permalink)
    Region FX disables several features of SONAR when active (due to ARA) so it is possible that the reverse is true... AudioSnap, clip effects being active on the clip may prevent the ability to create the Region FX.
     
    Edit: Copied from http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X3&language=3&help=Region_FX.01.html
     
    Region FX clip restrictions - The following editing functions are disabled for Region FX clips:
    • Clip automation.
    • Copy/paste for a time selection that contains a Region FX.
    • Split clip.
    • Slip-stretch clip when the Follow Host Tempo option is enabled.
    • Groove Clip looping.
    • AudioSnap.
    post edited by mettelus - 2014/10/17 17:31:39

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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 17:47:16 (permalink)
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    X3d is not necessary. This may be an issue related to MS C++ redistribution libs. You may want to contact tech support.


    LOL, I was hoping you weren't going to say that. With the time differences etc, it can take a few days to get an issues sorted down here. But I will try anyway.
     
    Thanks Scook...
    @mettelus  thanks , but none of those are active in the project
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 17:54:05 (permalink)
    Just sent off a message to support.
     
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 18:13:17 (permalink)
    Sorry, I have seen this once before and the user never came back to wrap up the thread. If this were more common I could point to a solution. May also want to ping Celemony.
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 19:31:12 (permalink)
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    I just did a modify of the install and when installing the VST 3 version I get the message plugin caused an error and that is "Call initProc" and then it is recommended to disable it. 
     
     
     




    I'm experiencing the same plugin load error after some house keeping a Waves Tech performed on my machine. I posted a screen shot here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Melodyne-no-longer-in-region-effects-m3105076.aspx Region effects worked properly prior to this.
     
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 19:45:49 (permalink)
    I forgot about your post. It did not show up in a Google search because the error was in the graphic.
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/17 20:31:45 (permalink)
    Thanks for the link. FWIW I have re-installed the VST3 Melodyne a few times now, after deleting it. I also tried a modify routine too. Appreciate the help though guys still got nothing from Support, it is late Friday there I suppose and the Sat and Sun to come so a fix from them is at least three days away
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/18 01:57:33 (permalink)
    Please remember to reset and rescan your plugins after the reinstall, it took me three separate scans after I installed Melodyne to get it to show up in region effects.

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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/18 13:54:22 (permalink)
    Thanks rebel, again this is something I had already done, a few times. I think there is just something "broken" in Sonar on my system. Melodyne runs fine in standalone mode. But it does nto appear under the right click VST 3 folder, and of course as a regional effect either.
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/19 01:05:39 (permalink)
    Is the VST3 version in Plugin Manager?

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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/19 02:16:34 (permalink)
    Well, I just did a re-install of the OS (from an image file which has the full install of Sonar + Melodyne among others) and now Region FX are enabled and Melodyne in the VST3 folder is appearing again. So some program that was installed after that image file was created broke it...Now I just need to figure which one...I REALLY hope it was not Addictive Drums 2. Anyway I am hoping it is some other non music related app. If I find it I will report back.
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/20 13:48:16 (permalink)
    couple of questions: Are you using any VST3 plug ins? That, I believe, is the protocol for Region FX to work. (they use ARA to eliminate the need for transferring files to the plug, such as melodyne used to require. I ran into this. )
    Ishould mention that you may have to hunt for your VST3 plugs and tell Soanr where to look for them (under preferences/ VSTs)Sonar does not specify a location for them.
     
    Also, please update to X3e, it is the latest and will cut down on your problems list as some of the other issues you may stumble across may already have been addressed in the update. 

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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/20 16:20:41 (permalink)
    Actually Sonar is on 3c (as per the image file) and Melodyne is running fine with NO update yet to 3e ....I got a "sorta" response from support, which just said " ...see you have it sorted, contact for further assistance" so I assume from that, they simply looked at the thread. NO explanation of the initproc error message, even though I gave them a screenshot. Anyhoo I wrote back asking for an explanation of the error message...doubt I'll get anything back.
     
    I have a feeling it was AD 2 that broke it...it must alter the C++ libs somewhere (or the APIs)?? I ahve re-installed pretty much everything except AD2 and it is working exactly as it should, even under 3c as noted.
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/21 13:54:03 (permalink)
    FWIW, ARA/VST3 was introduced in X3 so yes, you shouldn't explicitly need X3e to run Melodyne - I'm not surprised that it's OK in X3c since I (and many others) were using that combination before "e" was glint in a bakers eye.  
     
    The initproc message does smell a bit like a c++ mismatch somewhere along the way.  Found another instance of it here: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/discuss/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9343
     
     

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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/21 14:46:34 (permalink)
    Thanks Steve I will check out that link...might provide a glimmer of , well, something
     
    EDIT: nah nothing much there. FWIW I do think it is a C++ issue, but it's in the finding WHAT exactly caused it that is the problem. Still nothing from CW, I did ask the guy who responded. I guess they put these things out of sight out of mind if they think an issue resolved. No follow up even when asked. They are pretty busy I guess.
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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/22 07:26:27 (permalink)
    In preferences VST plugins there's a checkbox for how to handle a situation where both VST 2 and VST3 versions of the plugin are installed.

    In this case you want the VST3 version. If the checkbox is not ticked the VST 2 is used even though both installed.

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    Re: No "Region EFX" appearing on right click clip menu? 2014/10/22 09:54:13 (permalink)
    The VST3 migration settings have nothing to do with Region FX. Currently two plug-ins are set up as Region FX, the VST3 version of Melodyne and the DirectX V-Vocal.
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