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Re: Click track 2014/10/25 10:56:29 (permalink)
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Trying to create a drum track ... when I press on the keyboard the sound is slightly delayed. Creates a problem to play along with the metronome.


Now THAT sounds like a latency issue.  But it probably still wouldn't explain the metronome  not  syncing to already recorded audio tracks.
 
Another thing... if you're using really cpu intensive fx like an amp simulator or ozone, or softsynths, for troubleshooting purposes, I'd recommend you freeze or mix-down all those tracks.  Multiple instances of an amp simulator could bog playback down really fast.
post edited by Ian Ferrin - 2014/10/25 16:53:41

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Re: Click track 2014/10/25 11:08:21 (permalink)
sounds like a latency problem to me.......try to increase midi buffers

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Re: Click track 2014/10/25 11:44:12 (permalink)
Again ... it sounds like a latency issue.  Try recording a track without "monitoring".  If you don't want to try routing as per my earlier suggestion, as a test you can listen to the click through your speakers and play along to it listening to your instrument live and not through Sonar (in 8.5 I leave "echo" off, not sure if it is called the same thing in X3)

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Re: Click track 2014/10/25 18:19:27 (permalink)
I opened a project I recorded a few months ago. Went to an audio track on that older recording and started to record with metronome. Metronome is right on. No problem with latency. And yet with any new recent project, even when I record a few measures with the metronome, when I play back, the metronome is now not in sync to what I just recorded. I did A/B the old recording preferences with the new and everything looks the same. I'm now going to record a drum sequence on the first track and see if I can work with that rather than the metronome. Can't figure it out. Thanks everyone for suggestions.  
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Re: Click track 2014/10/25 20:38:44 (permalink)
Problem now solved. It was a latency adjustment after all like so many were suggesting. I put the slider to 9.0 msec. Preferences-Audio-Driver Settings-Buffer Size Slider (left to fast). Is that a common setting? Seems to work so far. It was suggested to increase midi buffers. How to do that? Would that be needed now? Thanks everyone for putting up with my slower than usual learning curve.
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Re: Click track 2014/10/26 13:53:11 (permalink)
For recording, 9.0ms is fine.
 
Once you've finished tracking and start adding cpu & memory hogging fx, you'll probably need to increase the latency which isn't a problem when you're done with tracking.

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Re: Click track 2014/10/26 20:58:41 (permalink)
Thanks for that explanation Bristol_Jonesey regarding the latency setting. Thanks to everyone else in the forum who helped with this problem I had.
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Re: Click track 2014/10/26 23:24:54 (permalink)
But hold on, That adjustment should have nothing to do with tracks syncing up?  And not only that, That is a preference stting and loading another project would not have changed your preferences. Maybe what was happening is you were recording while having input echo on so somehow playing along to latency, but that still is a bit confusing.  
And the latency slider is not available in ASIO mode, You make that adjustment with your audio interface control panel, So something is still not set up right here. I think your using the wrong timing master , not in ASIO mode and your system has very noticeable latency which you are monitoring. 

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Re: Click track 2014/10/27 07:32:13 (permalink)
Johnny V. The driver mode I'm using is Wasapi. When I've tried Asio in the past for some reason that mode somehow wasn't working. I've used Wasapi since I've had X3 which has been close to a year. I was able to change the latency setting and just randomly picking a faster setting of 9.0msec. For whatever reason, now the metronome is now synced and everything seems ok regarding being able to record. If problems arise again, I'll be back here for. Thanks for input. 
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Re: Click track 2014/10/27 12:28:28 (permalink)
I agree with Johnny - making the latency faster would solve your problem with delay between the keyboard and sound coming from sonar, but it should not affect the metronome.
 
WASAPI drivers for the UA25 might be an issue.  you said ASIO drivers didn't work, but you didn't say why.  ASIO the Roland UA25 should have solid ASIO drivers which work correctly and they would be the preferred ones to use which could be causing your other issues.
 
I would suggest you download the latest drivers for the UA25 from Roland, install them, then change to ASIO driver mode and see if that doesn't solve thing.s

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Re: Click track 2014/10/27 19:34:27 (permalink)
Thanks for the input. The WASAPI driver mode seems to put things back to where they were and so I'm content. What's the difference between WASAPI and ASIO? I have the latest drivers installed from Roland. When I tried to apply ASIO it comes up that I'm missing Output devices and to reassign. Then when I look in preferences-devices- then input/output drivers section is empty. It seems to mess things up. I'm not sure how to correct. That being said, when I go back to WASAPI driver mode, everything seems ok. If it's not broke, why fix it? Feedback pls? And thanks...
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Re: Click track 2014/10/27 19:34:27 (permalink)
Thanks for the input. The WASAPI driver mode seems to put things back to where they were and so I'm content. What's the difference between WASAPI and ASIO? I have the latest drivers installed from Roland. When I tried to apply ASIO it comes up that I'm missing Output devices and to reassign. Then when I look in preferences-devices- then input/output drivers section is empty. It seems to mess things up. I'm not sure how to correct. That being said, when I go back to WASAPI driver mode, everything seems ok. If it's not broke, why fix it? Feedback pls? And thanks...
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Re: Click track 2014/10/27 22:51:44 (permalink)
WASAPI is a native windows driver and it cannot perform any where near as good as the proper ASIO driver supplied by Roland. Roland writes top notch drivers.
You need to do as Beagle has advised. You should not have the issues you mentioned with the missing outputs and blank driver boxes. Something is causing that to happen and THAT is what we need to help you resolve. And it can be resolved. You'll thank everyone here once you sort this out. 
This sounds like your Roland drivers are not installing properly or you have not set the Roland as your default audio device etc. 
Sometimes the presence of other drivers will make the ASIO drivers go off line. 

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Re: Click track 2014/10/27 23:27:52 (permalink)
And re reading your answer..  the message about the output devices , that happens when you have used a different audio interface and change sometimes. Say if the old one used a different naming system ?? Anyhow I'm thinking what I would do is 
1- Go to the Roland Website and double check that you have the most up to date driver that matches your OS ( 64 bit etc)  Make sure you always use the same USB port you used to install the drivers. 
2- If it's possible, I've not familiar with WASAPI, un install it completely. 
     This might involve disabling your on board audio. You can always re enable again. 
     If you have a nvida video card then the HD driver needs to be disabled. read  post # 56
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3- Open Windows Audio devices and set the Roland as the default audio device. 
4- Open Sonar / Preferences/ Audio and set to ASIO, re start Sonar.  
You should now see the Roland as your ASIO device and as your timing master  (the root of your issue)
If you get the re assign outputs, then do that, check your master is set to the Roland 1/2 for each project as you re open them. Once set those projects will work forever. I've had mine reset when I open old projects created with another interface, this is normal.  
 
 

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Re: Click track 2014/10/28 07:37:07 (permalink)
I've gone through the steps. I've only used the UA-25 with this present computer so there hasn't been another audio interface. In my windows audio devices the UA-25 is the default in/out. I'm not sure how to uninstall the WASAPI. When I change over to ASIO in Pref/Audio/Playback&Recording, and then restart Sonar, I first get a notice that (before Sonar opens) ... there are no audio devices/go to edit/pref/choose a different driver. So I open Sonar and ASIO is showing but no sound. In edit/pref/driversetting/ the playback and recording timing master section is blank. This is where I'm uncertain of how to correct this. Thanks JohnnyV for your assistance so far.
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Re: Click track 2014/10/28 08:29:22 (permalink)
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I've gone through the steps. I've only used the UA-25 with this present computer so there hasn't been another audio interface. In my windows audio devices the UA-25 is the default in/out. I'm not sure how to uninstall the WASAPI. When I change over to ASIO in Pref/Audio/Playback&Recording, and then restart Sonar, I first get a notice that (before Sonar opens) ... there are no audio devices/go to edit/pref/choose a different driver. So I open Sonar and ASIO is showing but no sound. In edit/pref/driversetting/ the playback and recording timing master section is blank. This is where I'm uncertain of how to correct this. Thanks JohnnyV for your assistance so far.


there's almost always another "audio interface" - unless you bought a motherboard without a "soundcard" then your computer DOES have another "audio interface."  as far as windows and sonar are concerned, it does not matter if the soundcard is just a chip on the motherboard or a UA-25 or a $10,000 Digidesign desk.  they're ALL soundcards with inputs and outputs.
 
but I also stress again, and Johnny did as well:
1- Go to the Roland Website and double check that you have the most up to date driver that matches your OS ( 64 bit etc)  Make sure you always use the same USB port you used to install the drivers. 


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Re: Click track 2014/10/28 13:15:28 (permalink)
Thanks Beagle, You're explanation about another audio card makes sense, but I'm still not sure what to do in order to make the driver mode ASIO. In my windows audio devices it does show that the UA-25 is both the default in/out.  It shows up ASIO in edit/audio/playback&recording. But the driver settings is showing blank in the audio/driver settings/playback,recording timing master. It says that the audio outputs have to be reassigned. This is where I'm stuck. How to reassign the audio outputs?
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Re: Click track 2014/10/28 13:18:33 (permalink)
Also, when I edit/audio/devices, there is nothing showing to reassign ...
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Re: Click track 2014/10/28 13:37:13 (permalink)
Ah!  that sounds EXACTLY like what was happening to me the other day!  I did a windows update.  it updated twice and had me reboot twice.  after that my MOTU started doing EXACTLY the same thing you're describing.  I could use it in WDM driver mode, but if I changed it to ASIO, it left the playback and recording masters BLANK and I couldn't select anything and there was nothing to reassign the outputs to!
 
I"m on win7x64 and the update was last week.  I had to restore a backup point from windows before I installed those updates to get it working again.

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Re: Click track 2014/10/28 17:53:40 (permalink)
My computer is set to automatically update windows. There was even an update today. But that hasn't changed anything. The playback/recording timing masters are still blank. Any other suggestions to get ASIO my default driver mode? I went to this site ... http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/Audio-Hardware-Setup-Guide?audioMake=Roland&audioModel=UA-25EX&product=SONAR+3+Producer but not sure when it says go to "options-audio-advanced" Still working on it ...
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Re: Click track 2014/10/28 18:32:58 (permalink)
well, what I think might help is to roll BACK OUT the updates to a prior restore point.  that's what helped me.

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