[Solved] X1d Producer projects won't play in new X3e upgrade

I have just spent two weeks converting a project from 8.5.3
 
Two issues:
All tracks had to be cloned to work correctly with colors and with icons.
Most buses had to be cloned to provide output.
Spent way too much time figgering this, and then doing it.
And last night I had to clone some midi tracks again to get to work with dropzone.
 
I am way sad about opening other projects.
 

And yes, I had read this:
http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013315/SONAR-X3-Full-VST-Rescan-Recommended-for-Upgraders
 
but, reading it again, it seems that a VST Reset will remove any plug-in settings that I had in my X1 mixes, and I'll get the fun bonus of having to remix all the plugins from scratch, just so I can get them going in X3.
 
Is this correct?
 
thanks,
-Tom

No problems with new projects.
 
Old projects may require duplicating tracks and buses.
 
When testing old projects in X2 and X3 trial I did need to replace DP and SD to get midi in and sound out.
But resetting the VST scan did not fix it.

thanks, John. My problem is X1 to X3 upgrade, and I have no issue with recreating buses or tracks. Every bit of the X1 (Producer Expanded) project is present when I open it in X3e.
 
It just won't play, or record, either from clicking the transport buttons, or the spacebar.
 
I did the recommended "rescan" and "reset" of my plugins.
 
My next test will be this: I will go to the original X1 project, make a copy, remove all the plugins, save it, bring it into X3, and see what happens.
 
Unless there is something blindingly obvious that I'm missing? I know a lot of people have upgraded to X3 recently. Any similar issues? Any info would be of tremendous help, thank you!
 
cheers,
-Tom

Star date 10.26.14. I am alone on the bridge. I document these results only for the future benefit of humanity.
 
Well, I open up an X1 project in my new X3. My mix in x1 had 50+ tracks, 10+ instances of Equilibrium, a few Glues, some Soundtoys Microshifts, a couple of PSP VintageWarmers, some Breezes, S-Gear2, and a few Toneboosters Barricade plus a VBC.
 
It ran fine in X1. It won't play in X3 and I notice the "Audio Engine" symbol is greyed out. There is nothing happening in the "core meter" window - totally blank.
 
So I systematically begin peeling off the plugins. After removing most of them, and noticing it doesn't matter particularly which ones, I get to a "tipping point" where the project will run. Needless to say, with the plugins 80% removed, my original X1 mix is a goner.
 
So, the conclusion is - X3 will run fewer plugins than X1, because X3 must place more demands on the CPU than X1 did. Right?
 
Wrong . . . I can create a new project in X3, load it to the gills with the same plugins, and it works fine.
 
The sample rates I have been experimenting with are both 44.1 and 88.2, and the same issue exists.
 
Boiling it down, the question is, why do I have to remove 80% of the plugins used in an X1 mix, just so the audio engine will come back to life and run it in X3?
 
Have I entered a VST2 / VST3  upgrade wormhole?
 
I have no clue at this point. Maybe a fellow upgrader has some ideas . . .
 
thanks,
-Tom

Yes, dubdisciple . . . If I remix them all again in X3, it wouldn't be the worst thing ever, because I think my mixing skills have improved.
 
However, I shouldn't have to,should I? I have 10 or so projects built in X1, and the ONLY reason I upgraded to X3 was to gain the sidechain functionality that VST3 plugins can provide.
 
I waited (obviously) for a few years to upgrade - under the assumption that my old X1 projects would work fine. I was given no reason to feel otherwise. "Just Upgrade!" they said. Others have upgraded - their old projects (apparently) run fine . . . why not mine?
 
 
Anyway, I feel there must be an answer to my situation, I just don't know what my next step is. If the next step is "Reinstall X3 again" then I think I'd be more likely to just rebuild the X1 mixes in X3.
 
I bet someone out there knows something . . .. ?
 
thanks again,
-Tom
 
 

Thanks scook, I will try messing with vst3 preferences . . .
 
Dubdisciple, you and I think alike! Logically . . . I started doing some saves in X1 with certain plug-ins removed . . . but I think it's not related to any particular plugin . . . rather, it's the total amount of plugins. 
 
In X1, my project has 50+ tracks and loads of plugins. Can't play them in X3 because the audio engine won't even start/sputter/come to life UNLESS I start deleting the plug-in instances, about 80% of them. It doesn't matter which plug-ins remain, or get deleted. Funny, huh?
 
I suspect I may have  a VST 2 - VST 3 issue. Keep in mind, I can start a fresh project in X3, load in many tracks, and lots of vst2 AND vst 3 plugins, and the audio engine purrs and all works a treat.
 
Is there a list of VST3 plugins that don't work well in X3? That would have been nice to see before I upgraded  :)
 
The plugins in question are Equilibrium, Glue, Soundtoys, S-Gear2, Toneboosters Barricade, and VBC.
 
thanks, guys, I appreciate the feedback!
-Tom

Scook = Genius.
 
I have tracked it down to Equilibrium Mono, the VST 2 version. Kills any X3 project. Stereo Equilibrium of both VST2 and VST3 works fine.
 
I'm off to download the upgraded DMG Equilibrium . . . MANY THANKS to scook, dub, YouDon'tHave, and John. I'll report out my hopefully good results . . . great forum thanks . . . -Tom

Slackware and I go way back. I even got Ubuntu to work reasonably well with my TV card. That was until it was automatically updated beyond working. That was over two years ago, stopped using Linux then. Still mess with MinGW occasionally but since I don't have a professional need for Unix I just don't have the desire to keep a Linux partition around. In short, I don't know jack.

I knew Jack. Jack was a friend of mine. Emeraldsoul, you are no Jack.
 
The DMG Equilibrium update solved it. VST3 64bit, works in mono and stereo, I have my X1 mixes back, thanks again!
 
-Tom

Oh, that's excellent, good work on both your ends. Thanks - Sonar's a great DAW, which I married after I got divorced from Cubase VST5.   DMG Equilibrium is the only EQ that I routinely use for boosts without feeling like I'm tainting the audio. Great to have both playing nicely.