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2014/10/31 10:16:15 (permalink)

Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back?

Hello.  I am using sonar X2a and win 7 (all 64 bit).
 
In one recent project, I have an instance of Breverb loaded in the Main bus effects bin.  I start playback a measure or two before the first audio clip begins.  If I stop playback in the middle of the song, and rewind to my starting point (a measure or two before the first audio clip begins), and hit play, I first hear a continuation of the reverb tail (continued from where I stopped playback in the middle of the song) even though no audio is initially passing thru the reverb.
 
Is there a way I can stop Breverb from continuing to play a reverb tail when re-starting playback?
 
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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/10/31 10:47:03 (permalink)
    try enabling "Play Effect Tails After Stopping" in Preferences > Audio > Playback and Recording
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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/10/31 11:17:53 (permalink)
    I get that every now and again as well- not just with Breverb though.  You could disable what scook states above but I like hearing the effects on stop like it was back in the tape days.  So...  I've just dealt with it by hitting the space bar two or three times quickly until it's gone.

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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/10/31 12:24:28 (permalink)
    feature request: flush buffers when beginning playback from start

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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/10/31 12:25:25 (permalink)
    Thanks, scook.  I will try it.
     
    Follow-up question: am I going to hear this start-up reverb tail in tracks that I have made by bouncing other tracks that go thru the Breverb?
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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/10/31 12:47:17 (permalink)
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    Thanks, scook.  I will try it.
     
    Follow-up question: am I going to hear this start-up reverb tail in tracks that I have made by bouncing other tracks that go thru the Breverb?



    I don't think so, because the Breverb effect is now part of the track, not something that's added on to it in real time.

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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/10/31 12:53:57 (permalink)
    Spooky!
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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/10/31 12:55:32 (permalink)
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    try enabling "Play Effect Tails After Stopping" in Preferences > Audio > Playback and Recording



    I think it's actually called "Always Stream Audio Through FX"? In any event, enabling that will do what you want - play a reverb or delay tail after you press stop, but if you then hit play, you won't hear the tail. 
     
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    feature request: flush buffers when beginning playback from start



    I think it does that already if "Always Stream Audio through FX" is enabled?

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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/10/31 12:58:44 (permalink)
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    I think it's actually called "Always Stream Audio Through FX"?

    Not in X2a. "Always Stream Audio Through FX" is an X3 option.
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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/10/31 13:09:53 (permalink)
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    I think it's actually called "Always Stream Audio Through FX"?

    Not in X2a. "Always Stream Audio Through FX" is an X3 option.




    Is it the same function, just with a different name?

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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/10/31 13:21:13 (permalink)
    Similar, here is the notation in new features
    http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X3&language=3&help=NewFeatures.27.html
    I believe it does more than the old option maybe something to do with VST3 handling.
     
    The doc still shows the X2 preferences dialog image BTW.
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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/11/03 09:39:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dwardzala 2014/11/04 07:26:12
    Hello.  I am reporting back.
    1) I DO NOT hear reverb tails at the beginning of tracks made by bouncing other tracks that play thru the Breverb.  This is good (IMO), because I don't want to hear any effect tail at the beginning of any tracks
     
    2) If I go to Edit/Preferences/Audio/Playback and Recording and dis-able "Play Effect Tails After Stopping", I get no reverb tails when stopping playback in the middle of a track, but I do get the reverb tail when re-starting playback a measure or two before the beginning of the track. (It's as if the reverb tail that is not played when playback is stopped, and is instead played when playback resumes - even if that playback is resuming before the start of the song.)  If I enable "Play Effect Tails After Stopping", I hear the reverb tail when I stop playback in the middle of a track, but I do not hear the ghostly reverb tail when re-starting playback a measure or two before the beginning of the track.  The way those reverb tails are handled is a little strange, IMO.
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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/11/03 10:02:49 (permalink)
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    2) If I go to Edit/Preferences/Audio/Playback and Recording and dis-able "Play Effect Tails After Stopping", I get no reverb tails when stopping playback in the middle of a track, but I do get the reverb tail when re-starting playback a measure or two before the beginning of the track. (It's as if the reverb tail that is not played when playback is stopped, and is instead played when playback resumes - even if that playback is resuming before the start of the song.)  If I enable "Play Effect Tails After Stopping", I hear the reverb tail when I stop playback in the middle of a track, but I do not hear the ghostly reverb tail when re-starting playback a measure or two before the beginning of the track.  The way those reverb tails are handled is a little strange, IMO.



    I dunno, seems logical to me. If you disable "Play Effect Tails After Stopping," this stops whatever is in the buffer from playing back when you stop. Audio doesn't just leak out of the buffer, so when you press play, it kicks back in. If you enable "Play Effect Tails After Stopping," then the buffer gets a chance to flush after you press stop. So when you press play again, you start fresh. At least that's how I think it works, maybe scook can confirm.

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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/11/03 10:10:04 (permalink)
    It works as documented. If SONAR can cause plug-ins to "play effect tails after stopping" what might be useful is another option to flush effect buffers silently after stopping. Maybe this could be added to the new "Always Stream Audio Through FX" parameter. I don't think much can be done for X2a.
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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/11/03 12:35:04 (permalink)
    In any case, I have figured out how to stop those reverb tails from appearing before the actual start of the song.  This is helpful because I have listeners (i.e. the "talent") hearing those reverb tails at the very start of playback, who then want to know what is wrong with my computer or software!!
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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/11/03 13:17:08 (permalink)
    What I do is fairly simple - just make sure your project 'end' includes the reverb tails.
     
    You can do this in a variety of ways:
    1. Insert a marker
    2. Slip edit any clip to encompass the tail
    3. Edit any automation node to encompass the tail
    There are other ways, but these are ones I would consider using.

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    Re: Sonar X2a: Reverb tail at the beginning of play-back? 2014/11/03 14:04:05 (permalink)
    This used to bug me too.  Now, before I bounce to tracks or create a premaster, I just place the cursor past the end of the song and play 2 seconds of silence.  Then when I go to the beginning of the song to bounce, there is no residual reverb tail.
     
     

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