emwhy
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Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
If so what's your opinion of the keyboard "feel" on 61 key model. Is it more or less the same as the early versions of the Motif? Our local Guitar Center only has the 88 key model and I'm not that rich.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/10/31 20:22:18
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I'm Jealous - the MOXF's are nearly an entire Motif, minus a few audio output channels, but I'm broke....
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/01 11:39:00
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I have a MO8, which I think has the same keybed as the MOX series. If that's correct, then it's the same keybed used in the Roland digital pianos and the reason I chose the MO8 over a Motif, which had a mushier synth-type feel that I didn't care for.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/01 15:33:47
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I have a Yamaha MOFX8.
the keybed on moxf6 and moxf8 are a bit different in feel. the moxf6 is like a synth keyboard, kinda mushy not true weighted or anything.
the MOXF8 has a bit more solid feel but it's still not weighted keybed or anything.
I come from synth hardware so weighted keys aren't my thing. I needed the 88 keys for kontakt keyswitches and got tired of hitting transpose on my 49 controller.
you might want to look at the Roland FA6. it's slightly cheaper than the MOXF line. the FA6 and MOXF6 felt very similar in feel to me. HOWEVER with the Roland you can load extra downloaded banks, eiser menu system better screen etc.
really boils down to how you like the feel of the keyboard and what features you like more.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/02 06:39:40
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I had an MOXF6 for about a week!
The keys felt really flimsy and I couldn't live with them at all. Much lighter than my Motif XS6.
On the plus side, it sounded amazing and was light as a feather.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/06 16:15:20
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Thanks guys, but my real question was how does the 61 key version compare feel-wise on the keyboard to the original 61 key Motifs from 10-15 years ago. Those synths had what was essentially the old DX7 keyboard with little lead weights in them. Is the MOXF6 the same? Or did Yamaha change that design? I wish our local GC had one to play, but they just have the 88 key version which is out of my price range.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/07 11:30:57
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I have a MOTIF 6 61 keys and it felt like the MOXF6 keys when I played it at my local guitar center. synth like feel to the keyboard, nice and responsive. I picked the MOXF8 88 keys mostly cause I needed the extra keys but the MOXF8 has a slightly tighter feel to the keybed, not weighted or semi weighted just tighter or springier.
in comparison the Korg Krome 61 key I tried felt like a toys-r-us $50 toy keyboard. the keys were horrible. the MOXF6 61 keyboard felt like a responsive synth keyboard which fit my playing style and didn't hurt my hands from playing.
I played a Roland FA8 88 keyboard and felt different in a bad way, I like the Yamaha 88 keyboard better.
Roland FA6 61 keyboard and the Yamaha MOXF6 both felt sort of similar in the keybed, synth like, not weighted or semi weighted at all, both responsive. I still might buy a Roland FA6 for sounds but thinking I might buy the Integra 7 instead so no need for yet another keyboard - and I have the MOXF8 so.
Roland FA6 61 keyboard or Yamaha MOXF6 are very similar in features, just different sounds. you could pick either one and be happy.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/07 13:42:55
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Thanks, that's what I was wondering. Our local GC has the KORG Krome and I was appalled at the keyboard action as well. It's almost like they want you to buy the 88 key model. I'm still going to try to track down a MOXF6 to play before making the purchase.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/07 18:11:53
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I'm lucky enough to live where there are 3 guitar centers to drive to and several other music shops.
I really recommend playing with one before ya buy it - though you could order from sweetwater or someplace that has a return policy.
only you are gunna know if the keyboard feels right to you.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/07 19:10:56
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I'm gonna try to find one somewhere to play first. Not big on buying keyboards without playing them. I'd love to get the 88 key model, but it's the additional cost of a divorce lawyer that keeps me from buying it! 
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/08 16:11:16
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Guitar Center will match internet prices if you can find a deal they will match it, also GC regularly has 20% off coupons.
I never pay full price at CG. I got my MOXF8 with a trade in of some hardware and a 20% off coupon. I only paid $1200, still a lot of money but was cheaper than the retail of $1700.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/10 13:10:53
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A real Motif has a better quality keybed than the MOXF series. Sounds a little better as well, even though the sound set is pretty much the same. People that have used both describe the MOXF sound as "veiled", compare to a Motif XS/XF. Inferior conversion maybe? I'm sure they cut corners everywhere to get the price point down. Still, a very good workstation for the money. Some good choices these days for budget workstations from Yamaha, Roland, Korg and Kurzweil.
If you're hell bent on a Yamaha, a used Motif XS or XF would be the best option. Might cost a little more, but the extra quality and features would make up for that.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/10 21:52:47
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Bonzos Ghost
A real Motif has a better quality keybed than the MOXF series. Sounds a little better as well, even though the sound set is pretty much the same. People that have used both describe the MOXF sound as "veiled", compare to a Motif XS/XF. Inferior conversion maybe? I'm sure they cut corners everywhere to get the price point down. Still, a very good workstation for the money. Some good choices these days for budget workstations from Yamaha, Roland, Korg and Kurzweil.
If you're hell bent on a Yamaha, a used Motif XS or XF would be the best option. Might cost a little more, but the extra quality and features would make up for that.
I heard that it's the exact same sound engine, and that the difference is in the arranger features and the quality of the keybed - so it's interesting to see a post that says the sample sets are different...
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/11 09:34:42
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MachineClaw
I have a Yamaha MOFX8.
the keybed on moxf6 and moxf8 are a bit different in feel. the moxf6 is like a synth keyboard, kinda mushy not true weighted or anything.
the MOXF8 has a bit more solid feel but it's still not weighted keybed or anything.
Not quite correct... he MOXF8 features an 88-key GHS keyboard that provides authentic, realistic keyboard response—much like the playing feel of an acoustic piano—with a heavy touch in the bass register that changes to a lighter one in the treble, and a natural gradation of touch in between. Meanwhile, the MOXF6 offers a 61-key, semi-weighted keyboard that has been designed and adjusted so that you can easily and expressively play the rich variety of sounds the instrument offers. What are the differences between Yamaha Graded Hammer Actions? GHS, GHE and GH3GH / GHE (Graded Hammer effect): One of Yamaha's premium weighted actions, provides greater accuracy for faster repetetive passages required by intermediate and advanced pianists. Professional grade components provide a smoother,quiter mechanism when striking the keys. GHS (Graded hammer Standard): Well suited for the beginner pianist and delivers the graded, weighted touch piano teachers recommend for building proper technique for playing acoustic pianos. GH3: Like GH / GHE, but GH3 also swings back faster, like high quality piano keys. GH3 allows the player to feel the weight of the key when depressed a second time, even when the player has not completely released the key after the first push of the key.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/11 09:37:42
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Bonzos Ghost
A real Motif has a better quality keybed than the MOXF series. Sounds a little better as well, even though the sound set is pretty much the same. People that have used both describe the MOXF sound as "veiled", compare to a Motif XS/XF. Inferior conversion maybe? I'm sure they cut corners everywhere to get the price point down. Still, a very good workstation for the money. Some good choices these days for budget workstations from Yamaha, Roland, Korg and Kurzweil.
If you're hell bent on a Yamaha, a used Motif XS or XF would be the best option. Might cost a little more, but the extra quality and features would make up for that.
I heard that it's the exact same sound engine, and that the difference is in the arranger features and the quality of the keybed - so it's interesting to see a post that says the sample sets are different...
The soundset for the MOXF indeed comes from the XF The new MOXF series combines a MOTIF XF sound engine and Flash memory expandability\ I have both the 6 and 8, and use the 6 as a top board
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/12 19:32:09
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I think they're basically the same soundset/samples/wavs, etc, but there seems to be a general consensus out there that the MOFX doesn't sound quite as good as a full blown Motif. Whether they're more compressed, or it's a question of D/A conversion, I don't know, but it's not the first time a mfr has done this when a more budget friendly model is introduced. Still a lot there to like though.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/12 19:58:50
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Bonzos Ghost
I think they're basically the same soundset/samples/wavs, etc, but there seems to be a general consensus out there that the MOFX doesn't sound quite as good as a full blown Motif. Whether they're more compressed, or it's a question of D/A conversion, I don't know, but it's not the first time a mfr has done this when a more budget friendly model is introduced. Still a lot there to like though.
I'll bet a wooden nickel if you looked inside you'd find *identical* circuitry. Sometimes folks 'hear' something that just doesn't exist, and a $2000 price differential might tend to do that.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/12 20:55:01
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Ya, who knows....Could be that the keyboard velocity responds a little differently. I wouldn't be surprised if a Motif has better quality DACs though. Some people claim there is a difference. Could be just the ones with the golden ears, but it's been a topic of debate on other forums.
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/13 08:53:17
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Bonzos Ghost
Ya, who knows....Could be that the keyboard velocity responds a little differently. I wouldn't be surprised if a Motif has better quality DACs though. Some people claim there is a difference. Could be just the ones with the golden ears, but it's been a topic of debate on other forums.
true, but I have "Hi Fi" friends who claim they can hear the difference in cables that cost $5000 vs cables that cost $50. sometimes it's all in the Kool-Aid. 
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/13 13:04:14
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2014/11/14 15:22:30
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I go back as far as the days of the Juno 60, and I also had a Juno 106 from Roland. They claimed they were identical in sound, but I could always hear a subtle difference. The 60 sounded better.
Back on topic I have done some further research and discovered the differences between the keybeds for all the models. Thanks for the info guys, and the help!
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Re: Any Yamaha MOXF6 Users here?
2015/01/23 09:51:24
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@emwhy, could you summarize your findings? What did you discover about the moxf6 keybed? What did you end up buying and why?
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