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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/02 17:25:09 (permalink)
Never heard anyone yet say 'I'm not buying that record because I can tell they used an amp sim.'
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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/02 18:11:18 (permalink)
A low pass does help with some things. I'm not using any EQ before S-Gear, but I like to use Sonimus Sweetone before Amplitube. Sweetone is just a quick, simple, nice sounding EQ that is perfect to go before or after an amp sim. Of course the quadcurve or any other would work just as well.

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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/02 18:20:18 (permalink)
I've noticed last night just how much difference there was between my POD HD and my old POD 2. I actually used high shelving on the POD 2.
 
Unheard of with the POD HD, which sounds as if it's running through Sonic Maximizer or an Aphex Exciter, so hyped it is.
 
As a matter of fact, I later found a video on YT where someone compared the old 2 and the HD, and indeed, those new models are very hyped in the lower and higher frequencies. For smooth Fender Twin/VOX type of tones, the old POD works better here. The mids are there, for starters.
 
 

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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/02 18:37:53 (permalink)
I'm still hanging in there with my original POD upgraded to POD II. I wish they still supported it, it sound's killer through the loop of a Crate Power Block into a Emi Texas Heat. Absolutely kills the Flextone II. Have a Toneport UX-2 too. I'm not sure they support it anymore either, it is one of the early red ones. I've bought four hardware products from them, used Toneport online and they dropped pretty much everything I bought. I wont be buying anymore Line6 products. I'll use what I have but that is it.
 
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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/02 18:44:11 (permalink)
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I've noticed last night just how much difference there was between my POD HD and my old POD 2. I actually used high shelving on the POD 2.
 
Unheard of with the POD HD, which sounds as if it's running through Sonic Maximizer or an Aphex Exciter, so hyped it is.
 
As a matter of fact, I later found a video on YT where someone compared the old 2 and the HD, and indeed, those new models are very hyped in the lower and higher frequencies. For smooth Fender Twin/VOX type of tones, the old POD works better here. The mids are there, for starters.
 
 


I used the mid focus EQ on everything with my HD500. It's basically a high pass/ low pass. I also rolled the cabs low end off at about 120 hz in the deep editing. The HD500 is a very capable unit when tweaked, but it does require some tweaking and practice. I probably should have kept mine, but after trying all of the low end modelers...I went with S-gear and Amplitube (for recording) and a Fender Mustang IV (just in case I need to play live someday). When I was in my last band I used a HD500 and a DT50. That is an awesome rig!

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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/03 03:31:50 (permalink)
I'm drooling over the DT-50. A good friend of ours who gigs quite a bit has replaced his old Fender/Vox set up with one and he recommended it whole heartedly. Maybe someday...
 
I didn't know that you could EQ the HD 500 more extensively. The HD 300 offers some basic options, but, since the same effect slot is occupied by EQ, Compression and Gain and a few others, you often have to choose between EQ'ing and something else.
 
I used to run it through my Mackie board but the results were a tiny bit too noisy for my taste.
 

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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/03 03:31:52 (permalink)
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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/03 10:59:57 (permalink)
I agree about the older Pods. I have a POD 2.0 with the line 6 long board foot controller I used mainly for Fender amps. I have the HD500 and even using the onboard Eqs to soften it on the top end I still find myself dragging out the 2.0. Although, TH2 has really filled the bill for a while now.

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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/03 11:26:36 (permalink)
Guitarpima

Will amp sims ever sound good?


well, they already do (a lot of pros use them, so they must)
 
my issue has been, and remains, with the way they FEEL.
 
everytime i've ever used an amp sim, it felt artificial to me.
but that's me.
 

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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/03 14:22:05 (permalink)
Bitflipper has a valid point. To me, two of the best arguments for using amp sims are:
1)when you can't turn up too loud. (live on a residential street in Anytown USA and inspiration strikes at 1:00 AM)
2)when you can't turn the devices/ people in your house down. (If only the furnace or washing machine had a volume knob, or my kids for that matter).
My favorite amp right now is a Musicman HD130 that I pretty much use as a tube power amp with a Hafler T2 preamp, an Alesis quadraverb and hushIIcx sitting in a rack with it all running through a no name 4x12 with emminence legends. When the stars are alligned it is the best sounding thing in the world. All the cool hot rodded reasons you would pick rack gear in the first place. The problem is that this makes for that many more pieces patched together with jacks and plugs. I have yet to get an intermittent short that drops my volume 10dB, thus ruining that one perfect take that was destined to transport me into the stratosphere of greatest of the great from an amp sim. (that's how it happened, and I'm sticking to my story.) Plus that thing all told weighs about 100 lbs. and requires 3 trips to get it all from your car to the studio.

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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/03 16:57:39 (permalink)
No one has mentioned an input specifically for the guitar or one for both mic and guitar. I have no way to test that so I'm wondering?
 
I have been noticing lately that my 79 Les Paul custom (57n/57 plus b) sit much better in the mix than my Ibanez RG320DXQM with EMGs (81b/85n). I have no doubt that the quality of the guitar has something to do with all this. I wonder how the EMGs would sound in a better guitar with a birdseye maple neck and fingerboard and a swamp ash body. The neck would be nice and fat for you guys but normal for me. Then again, I sick of batteries even though they last almost forever.
 
I did some more testing last night and I just can't get into it. All the rack effects are unusable IMO. I'll do some more testing inside Sonar though. I'll try and post some examples either today or tomorrow but probably Wednesday.

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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/03 18:28:45 (permalink)
I would think that the Gibson and Ibanez would present different impedance's to your audio interface. Could that be the difference you hear? IF you had an amp with a line out, you could let the amp provide a consistent impedance to the interface regardless of the guitar you use.

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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/03 19:54:01 (permalink)
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I would think that the Gibson and Ibanez would present different impedance's to your audio interface. Could that be the difference you hear? IF you had an amp with a line out, you could let the amp provide a consistent impedance to the interface regardless of the guitar you use.




Are you saying to use the emulated line out (what I use now) or the send? I don't mic my cab, though I wish I could.

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Re: Will amp sims ever sound good? 2014/11/03 22:31:35 (permalink)
I meant an emulated line out, so it looks like that theory is shot.

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