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Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
... just sayin'
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/03 08:48:21
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And MMultiAnalyzer, too ($36). Two of my three favorite Melda plugins on sale! MModernCompressor is also very good, if anybody actually needs one more compressor.
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dstrenz
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/03 08:48:52
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Thanks, I've been waiting for this one and just bought it.
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/04 12:59:17
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dstrenz Thanks, I've been waiting for this one and just bought it.
Yup, gave it a work out last night. Initial impressions are higher than expected.
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dstrenz
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/04 16:35:24
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I just installed and played with it for about 15 minutes and it sounds very good, more transparent than DSM. But it's a lot more complicated than DSM and I'll have to read the docs and reread bitfilipper's review a few times to try to get the hang of it.
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/04 20:57:18
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dstrenz I just installed and played with it for about 15 minutes and it sounds very good, more transparent than DSM. But it's a lot more complicated than DSM and I'll have to read the docs and reread bitfilipper's review a few times to try to get the hang of it.
Me Two.
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peter434
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/05 13:25:31
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I tried to understand the tools of this plugin via the You Tube videos; that seems interesting but even if the GUI is still fun, there are a lot of functions (like, it is said, a "gas plant") ! But it seems that most of their main plugins recover similar functions in particular analyser and side chaining. In what, for instance the Melda compressors are "different" from other compressor besides the many possibilities they can offer in a same plugin ? Is the sound more defined, more mastered ... ? I ask that because Dstrenz made a comparison with DSM which was considered as the holy grail concerning mixing or mastering treatment (maybe too much hype). Now, it's coming the idea that Equalizers and in particular dynamic equalizers are more important than compressors : The Melda dynamic Eq seems to be very intersting...
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/05 16:18:49
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DSM is the closest thing I know of to MSpectralDynamics. The two are equivalent only conceptually, though. (Also, DSM is more expensive at $329.) To picture what MSpectralDynamics does, imagine a dynamic equalizer with hundreds of bands, configured to describe a specified overall spectral shape. Great for mastering. But it doesn't end there... Now imagine that you can route a sidechain signal to the analyzer portion to spectrally compress one signal based on another, but only effect those frequencies that are contained in the sidechain. That lets you carve a spectral hole in one track or bus that perfectly fits the needs of another track or bus. You now have the ultimate anti-masking tool. If you a) don't do your own mastering, and/or b) you have no idea what spectral masking is, then save your money, just get Sausage Fattener and have fun. (Just kidding, peter434. Spend the money on MDynamicEQ instead, next time it goes on sale for $43.)
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/05 18:06:22
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Thanks a lot Bitflipper for the precisions ! In fact I have DSM purchased at a very discounted price (and Sausage Fattener too ) but the fact is I don't use it a lot because of the lack of more explicit controls and graphic informations ! I find DSM a little too "mystic" and it appears that in some of my mixes, even with very moderate settings, it was still a bit "agressive" (maybe it's me and my mixing skills are limited but I scrupulously listen , compare with reference mix, and listen again and again until getting a certain balance that I think is fair). The analyzer, the specified spectral shaping, the sidechaining function adressed in specific frequency areas, and the great anti-masking tool you mentioned make this plug very attractive and make me get the demo and still spend time to see if I'm able to use it correctly ! I've already the little Nomad Factory Track spacer plug, but maybe there is like a lack of precision in the treatment... Just a subsidiary question : MSpectralDynamics seems to be complete and finally can cover main functions of MDynamicEQ ?
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/05 19:24:26
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MSpectralDynamics and MDynamicEQ are quite different from one another. They complement each other nicely, though. I'd recommend both of them. And yes, the analogy to TrackSpacer isn't wrong (I think you meant to say "Wavesfactory" rather than "Nomad Factory"). TrackSpacer does a similar spectral-ducking trick. There's also Elevayta's Space Boy that does the same thing (and it's cheap, just $29). But both of these are one-trick ponies compared to MSpectralDynamics, which does a lot of other things, too.
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/06 05:51:31
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Thanks Bitflipper for the infos. So I downloaded the demo versions of the Analyzer, Modercompressor and MspectralDynamics, testing them on a whole mix and to confirm the feeling of Dstrenz, the MSdynamics seems to sound very good : The quick general impression is that it sustains and "expands" the signal smoothly.Comparatively, I tried DSM, and cannot get this smoothness and still stay with this agressivity ! I also tried the Slate compressor (FGx and Bus compressor) and, no offense to the Slate stuff, but it sounded very tense and rather disgusting ! By cons (concerning the MspectralDynamics) it is true that despite the explanatory menus, it is not easy to choose a particular criterion and the many different options could be more confusing than anything for the novice user I am.
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dstrenz
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/06 06:21:47
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Hi Peter, I've been using DSM for quite some time and it is possible to get it to sound smoother by putting a good parametric EQ in the effect chain before DSM and adjust it so that the source material more closely matches the frequency curve. That way, DSM doesn't need to do as much work. After that's done, play with the ratio and the wet/dry controls. This works with MSpectralDynamics too. For anyone who wants a quick basic example how these can be used, load a wav file and insert MSD. Find the part of the song that sounds best, and press and hold the capture button while that part plays. Now play the song. MSD shows the frequency curve of the part you captured and the real-time frequency graph of the wav file. While it's playing, play with the Threshold fader. You'll see the Threshold control moves the captured frequency curve up and down. Wherever a part of the frequency curve is below the real-time source, those source frequencies are compressed to match the frequency curve. Wherever a part of the frequency curve is above the real-time source, the source frequencies are untouched. If the wav file happens to be a vocal track, this procedure nicely de-essed it. I also use DSM to help bring some life back to old recordings that works better than anything else I've tried. If interested, just ask and I'll show how I do that. The process should work equally well with MSpectralDynamics.
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/07 09:33:37
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Bit - I have MDynamics in their Mixing bundle. How does MSpectralDynamics differ from that one?
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peter434
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/07 11:44:26
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Thank you very much dstrenz for all those precisions ! I was certainly a little confused by the controls of DSM and their interactions, But in fact, I just used the presets and not captured a reference track. And yes, if you could show how you're doing, it could be very informative.
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dstrenz
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Re: Melda MSpectralDynamics 50%...
2014/11/10 08:39:54
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peter434 Thank you very much dstrenz for all those precisions ! I was certainly a little confused by the controls of DSM and their interactions, But in fact, I just used the presets and not captured a reference track. And yes, if you could show how you're doing, it could be very informative.
Sorry, I missed your reply until now. Here's a basic rundown of what I do. Say you've got a digital copy of an old cassette of a garage band and your (possibly unrealistic) goal is to make it sound like Allman Brothers Live at the Filmore. Note that if there is something drastically wrong with the recording, like a super loud guitar, there isn't much you can do to improve it. Capture a curve from the Allman Brothers album and save it. Load up the old recording onto a track and copy that track and mute it. It is all too easy to make changes that make it sound worse than the original, so the unmodified copy is for reference and should be compared with the modified track often. Let's see if the curve we're using will improve the sound. Insert MSD and load the Allman frequency curve. As you play the song, you'll probably see the source material does not come close to matching the curve. Adjust the threshold so that the entire curve is below the source material, which will cause MSD to compress practically every band all the time to match the curve. The result will probably sound unnatural at 100% wet. Set the wet/dry fader to dry and slowly raise it to mix in some of the compressed signal until it sounds best. You're probably somewhere around 10-20% wet. If there's no improvement, use a different curve until it does. Now put a good parametric eq in front of MSD and use it to make it so the source material more closely matches the curve. Set the MSD threshold so that the curve is, on average, slightly above the source material. Now use the wet/dry control's to smooth things out. It will probably end up somewhere between 50-100% wet now.
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